What is it with Americans and guns!

[Robus]

Have you never considered that poverty causes crime and black minorities have never properly escaped the poverty they have historically been placed in?

A quick Google search tells you that nearly 20% of black Americans are living below the poverty line compared to 8% of white Americans. Similar inequalities are the case in the uk. There’s more than enough evidence around historic marginalisation of black people in America and the UK over the years.

I still struggle to understand your logic for why guns should exist in America and think this blinkered suspicion of other historically oppressed races is what has caused not enough momentum to change gun laws and has cost the lives of innocent children. I honestly believe Robus, that you and many Americans have childrens blood on your hands.

Here is what I understand Matt: Income differences account for some but not all of the crime disparities between racial groups. Regardless of race, low-income people commit more violent crimes than high-income ones. However at each income level, blacks commit violent crimes at higher rates than whites, Hispanics and Asians at the same income level.

Whatever troubles blacks in the US doesn't seem involve "systemic racism." Nigerian and West African legal immigrants earn higher incomes than the average for white Americans, as do East Asians. South Asians have the highest income levels of income of any sub-group within our population.

Is there a persistent "anti-black racism" as the CRT crowd tell us? I believe it exists and accounts for some, but not all of the outcomes differences. Example: My neighbor is addicted to landscaping her yard like Michael Jackson was addicted to plastic surgery. Every day for weeks on end crews of Salvadorians, Guatemalans, Hondurans and Mexicans haul wheel-barrels of sod in and out, nary a green card among them. I'm watching a group of them out the window as I type. Twenty years ago, the landscapers all used black laborers. My neighbor is afraid of black people, so she contracted less landscaping back then. She is happier now.

BTW, about 3 million unskilled laborers walked across our borders since Joe Biden ripped them wide open in January, 2021. My neighbor voted for him.

[Albionic68]

I've only skim read the last couple of pages. They have a quite depressing air to them and make for heavy reading; all be it an interesting topic.

The Injuns am coming, wim all gonna die and I'm feeling the need to take as many innocents with me as I can as I don't see why they should live once I've left this mortal coil.

Thank fk this military trained working class white man no longer has access to guns, a selection of machetes or even a rope for that matter.

Wish I lived in a country where my forebears had the foresight to enshrine the ownership of automatic weapons to fight off immigrants intent on bumming me to death in front of the neighbours.

[Robus]

Thank fk this military trained working class white man no longer has access to guns, a selection of machetes or even a rope for that matter.

Wish I lived in a country where my forebears had the foresight to enshrine the ownership of automatic weapons to fight off immigrants intent on bumming me to death in front of the neighbours.

Thankfully these working class (and some military trained) Korean-Americans did have access:

https://youtu.be/DBcYaR4M_w8

I wish a few more of these had done:

https://youtu.be/4ne_w2rvBvU

We are sitting on opposite sides of a paradigm shift and will view those videos accordingly. I wonder: doesn't your heart rise a little watching the first video, and sink a bit watching the second?

[Omegstrat6]

Thankfully these working class (and some military trained) Korean-Americans did have access:

https://youtu.be/DBcYaR4M_w8

I wish a few more of these had done:

https://youtu.be/4ne_w2rvBvU

We are sitting on opposite sides of a paradigm shift and will view those videos accordingly. I wonder: doesn't your heart rise a little watching the first video, and sink a bit watching the second?

I can see where you are coming from but the 2 videos represent, in some was, the initial point of my post. In both cases looting is obviously wrong and innocent people and businesses have a right to be protected and in both cases the police failed to do so. The difference is that in the first video ( US) they have guns and in the second (UK) they don't so in which scenario do you think people are more likely to be killed or seriously injured?

The US has a gun culture and nothing will now ever stop that and I understand that if the "bad" guys have guns then law enforcement need them too to adequately counteract that threat. I also get that in cases where people feel vulnerable and that the police cannot protect them that they would arm themselves. What I do not understand is how so many Americans don't see how making access to guns -especially AR15 style weapons-so easy and increasing the numbers of firearms is not also increasing the risk factor of them being used.

[Robus]

I can see where you are coming from but the 2 videos represent, in some was, the initial point of my post. In both cases looting is obviously wrong and innocent people and businesses have a right to be protected and in both cases the police failed to do so. The difference is that in the first video ( US) they have guns and in the second (UK) they don't so in which scenario do you think people are more likely to be killed or seriously injured?

From my side of the paradigm shift, that is utterly the wrong question to ask. I remember discussions around this forum back in 2011. There were people saying: "We can rebuild the burned out blocks, but we cannot restore the lives of the rioters that we might take." That kind of thinking will cost you lives but much more.

Did you hear the aghast in the voice of that man taking the Woolwich video? That's a man seeing the Leviathan as a toothless hag, good for taxing your television and policing the internet but incapable of performing the essential function of a state. I hear the social contract shattering.

[baggiematt]

From my side of the paradigm shift, that is utterly the wrong question to ask. I remember discussions around this forum back in 2011. There were people saying: "We can rebuild the burned out blocks, but we cannot restore the lives of the rioters that we might take." That kind of thinking will cost you lives but much more.

Did you hear the aghast in the voice of that man taking the Woolwich video? That's a man seeing the Leviathan as a toothless hag, good for taxing your television and policing the internet but incapable of performing the essential function of a state. I hear the social contract shattering.

I dread to think of the number of innocent people who would have died if the rioters had guns in 2011. An awful example of how guns ‘protect’ people.

You may feel safer with a gun. You may feel like you can handle an intruder better. But if guns are used for defensive purposes, then they will also be used for offensive purposes. And the trade off for having this false sense of security is the safety of your children.

As I said before, it’s pure cowardice and plain stupidity not dealing with the issue. 27 school massacres in one year, it’s time your country manned up and protected your kids from yourselves.

[baggieal]

I dread to think of the number of innocent people who would have died if the rioters had guns in 2011. An awful example of how guns ‘protect’ people.

You may feel safer with a gun. You may feel like you can handle an intruder better. But if guns are used for defensive purposes, then they will also be used for offensive purposes. And the trade off for having this false sense of security is the safety of your children.

As I said before, it’s pure cowardice and plain stupidity not dealing with the issue. 27 school massacres in one year, it’s time your country manned up and protected your kids from yourselves.

Totally agree! If a drop out kid over there has a grudge and got access to a gun he will want to take out the whole school where he will attach the blame. For me get rid of guns - ban violent horror films and ban violent games!

My kids weren’t allowed to play on these games and certainly weren’t even allowed on gadgets or phones at meal times. Some parents allow kids to be games all day long as easiest option and no wonder many end up being weirdos or thick!

[Robus]

I dread to think of the number of innocent people who would have died if the rioters had guns in 2011. An awful example of how guns ‘protect’ people.

I remember Sikhs with bats and mallets. Suppose you'd had the equivalent of roof Koreans in 2011? Other things being equal, would that have been better or worse than what actually happened?

[Robus]

GBNews is a ray of hope, a truth-telling media outlet that doesn't charge you an annual fee to own a television set.

https://youtu.be/X7yXk6NR5Vc

[WBA123]

GBNews is a ray of hope, a truth-telling media outlet that doesn't charge you an annual fee to own a television set.

https://youtu.be/X7yXk6NR5Vc

You mean KGB news?

I know they like to peddle pro Russian news. I wonder where they get their funding from...