No Confidence Vote - Complete Farce!

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Your comparisons are absolutely wild.

Why would you compare our parliamentarians and Govt with celebs and footballers? Obviously a higher standard applies to those in power, that's why we have a ministerial code (which BJ, Patel and others have repeatedly broken) because they are more open to abuse their elevated power (which this Tory Govt have done repeatedly).

Why do you think our response to Ukraine would be any different with a different PM? I have no idea why people conflate the Ukraine conflict with law breaking and lying by the PM. Its just a convenient distraction for him. I think our response militarily has been good, but we absolutely allowed some Russian money to leave the country by responding so slowly to sanctions.

And BJ (amongst politicians across all parties, to be fair) has Russian links. There is a school of thought he has put a Russian asset into our House of Lords, against national security advice - why would you want someone like that running the country?

But most parliamentarians are corrupt and lie. I am sure Starmer enjoyed a few glasses too! Sunak could change some rules but it wouldn’t benefit Mrs Non Dom!

Boris has done more for Ukraine than almost any EU leader including the two powers France and Germany. What have these two countries done apart from try to appease another Hitler and worried about their own energy running dry!

I leave you with these questions. Who would do a better job ( name please ) than Johnson and be equally as firm on Russian aggression?

Many in the US are of the view Putin would not have invaded Ukraine had Trump been in power. Would you agree or disagree and why?

I wouldn’t trust Starmer any more than Johnson as one reason why our Police are in a mess is because of the CPS and who was the man at the top!

Whatever view anyone has a line now should be drawn under all this and the government should govern. Whilst I didn’t vote I dislike bitter individuals who still have knives out for Johnson and are banging the remain drum. Again we may well have been better off by remaining but sadly the majority said otherwise!

We may have been promoted had we kept Pereira and brought back OK. Life is full of may be’s ……..

PS - what’s your answer to illegal
Immigration as whatever Patel does it’s wrong! Had immigration not been on the voters minds with Brexit we would have remained. Seems like many are up in arms about Rwanda but what’s the solution - let every illegal immigrant in at a huge cost to tax payers and increase our security risk!

Perhaps Mr Starmer can answer this question as rarely he offers a solution but harps on about Partygate like a parrot !

[WBA123]

But most parliamentarians are corrupt and lie. I am sure Starmer enjoyed a few glasses too! Sunak could change some rules but it wouldn’t benefit Mrs Non Dom!

Boris has done more for Ukraine than almost any EU leader including the two powers France and Germany. What have these two countries done apart from try to appease another Hitler and worried about their own energy running dry!

I leave you with these questions. Who would do a better job ( name please ) than Johnson and be equally as firm on Russian aggression?

Many in the US are of the view Putin would not have invaded Ukraine had Trump been in power. Would you agree or disagree and why?

I wouldn’t trust Starmer any more than Johnson as one reason why our Police are in a mess is because of the CPS and who was the man at the top!

Whatever view anyone has a line now should be drawn under all this and the government should govern. Whilst I didn’t vote I dislike bitter individuals who still have knives out for Johnson and are banging the remain drum. Again we may well have been better off by remaining but sadly the majority said otherwise!

We may have been promoted had we kept Pereira and brought back OK. Life is full of may be’s ……..

PS - what’s your answer to illegal
Immigration as whatever Patel does it’s wrong! Had immigration not been on the voters minds with Brexit we would have remained. Seems like many are up in arms about Rwanda but what’s the solution - let every illegal immigrant in at a huge cost to tax payers and increase our security risk!

Perhaps Mr Starmer can answer this question as rarely he offers a solution but harps on about Partygate like a parrot !

You kind of sound like your parroting the Tory propaganda machine. Everything you are saying is what they want you to think.

You keep bringing Starmer's name up, but its not comparable. He hasn't been issued a FPN, if he does get one he said he'd resign. That's integrity for you. BJ hasn't got an ounce of it.

Who would do better? I'd say virtually any Tory MP would do at least the same as BJ. I don't like Liz Truss, but she's been very strong with her rhetoric and she's a frontrunner to replace him. Labour would have been stronger on sanctions than the Tories, they were pushing them to go further originally. Why would Starmer offer less of a response than BJ? That argument makes no sense.

Maybe they wouldn't have invaded had Trump been in power, but do you really want our elected representatives in the west to be pre-approved by Russia? Russian interference is well known, they wanted Trump in power, they wanted Brexit - you have to ask yourself why.

You mention the police are in a mess - The Tories have cut tens of thousands of police since 2010 and are criminally underfunding the justice system right now. They are literally crippling the country in every department.

"Bitter Remainers" - 148 MPs voted against BJ last night. Are you telling me they are all remainers? Come off it - a good chunk of them supported Brexit.

And you say the Government should govern - they are not in charge. Parliament is. That's how this country works. The government need a majority in the commons to get through legislation. Last night effectively showed that BJ has the confidence of only 211 MPs out of 650. There is a possibility this could paralyse Parliament. If we had a PM with any integrity and decency he'd have resigned many times over.

As for immigration - it will never be stopped. We actually take in far fewer than most Western European countries so maybe our hostile policy is working. People come here because their countries aren't stable and we've helped destabilise countries like Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq etc. - so the first thing I'd do is get our foreign policy right. And secondly I'd pay more in international aid. There's two steps that would help to kick off.

[baggieal]

You kind of sound like your parroting the Tory propaganda machine. Everything you are saying is what they want you to think.

You keep bringing Starmer's name up, but its not comparable. He hasn't been issued a FPN, if he does get one he said he'd resign. That's integrity for you. BJ hasn't got an ounce of it.

Who would do better? I'd say virtually any Tory MP would do at least the same as BJ. I don't like Liz Truss, but she's been very strong with her rhetoric and she's a frontrunner to replace him. Labour would have been stronger on sanctions than the Tories, they were pushing them to go further originally. Why would Starmer offer less of a response than BJ? That argument makes no sense.

Maybe they wouldn't have invaded had Trump been in power, but do you really want our elected representatives in the west to be pre-approved by Russia? Russian interference is well known, they wanted Trump in power, they wanted Brexit - you have to ask yourself why.

You mention the police are in a mess - The Tories have cut tens of thousands of police since 2010 and are criminally underfunding the justice system right now. They are literally crippling the country in every department.

"Bitter Remainers" - 148 MPs voted against BJ last night. Are you telling me they are all remainers? Come off it - a good chunk of them supported Brexit.

And you say the Government should govern - they are not in charge. Parliament is. That's how this country works. The government need a majority in the commons to get through legislation. Last night effectively showed that BJ has the confidence of only 211 MPs out of 650. There is a possibility this could paralyse Parliament. If we had a PM with any integrity and decency he'd have resigned many times over.

As for immigration - it will never be stopped. We actually take in far fewer than most Western European countries so maybe our hostile policy is working. People come here because their countries aren't stable and we've helped destabilise countries like Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq etc. - so the first thing I'd do is get our foreign policy right. And secondly I'd pay more in international aid. There's two steps that would help to kick off.

Your view but sadly not mine! I can't see the Tories being defeated as there's no credible opposition! Labour will never change and Lib Dems are a complete waste of space. Why should Johnson resign as completely his decision and apart from a few glasses of wine he's not doing a bad job and certainly more proactive on Russian aggression than any of the useless EU leaders! Perhaps this is one reason of many why many wanted to leave the EU because of incompetent leaders, leaders who suck up to Putin, and countries who put themselves first rather than the Bloc.

Illegal immigration must stop and I totally support Patel with sending these people to Rwanda. There's no such thing as a free lunch and our security is compromised. Sadly our elderly do not receive free accommodation and meals! I totally support legal immigration though as we need more doctors, engineers etc. Perhaps those who study medicine should have some incentive to do so ( free university fees like Scotland ) so these students are not heavily in debt!

Pay more in international aid you say! Have you been to a Boris party and on the wine? We give millions to India and should give them zero - this country is buying barrel after barrel of Russian oil on the cheap making a mockery of our sanctions. Why the hell do we still give foreign aid to China who cozy up to Russia and can't even bring themselves to be critical of Europeans being executed and thrown in shallow graves. Is it because China's human rights are equally as shocking and they are still waiting to pounce on Taiwan!

I would put money on Johnson doing what his predecessors didn't do and turn it around. The UK public are so fickle and change their minds like the wind!

Glory to Ukraine and Rwanda too for taking these dingy illegals!

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You lot have got far too much time on your hands to be typing all this stuff out. Must be civil servants....... 😊 .

[WBA123]

Pay more in international aid you say! Have you been to a Boris party and on the wine? We give millions to India and should give them zero - this country is buying barrel after barrel of Russian oil on the cheap making a mockery of our sanctions. Why the hell do we still give foreign aid to China who cozy up to Russia and can't even bring themselves to be critical of Europeans being executed and thrown in shallow graves.

Take a look at the top 5 or 10 beneficiary countries we give international aid to. I'd say they make up a good chunk of the immigrants that come here. If we support them making their country more stable, it would probably be more financially worthwhile for us in the long term.

Unfortunately our press (and you've said this yourself) make it out that its a binary choice between giving international aid or giving to our elderly. And it isn't. If our Govt didn't waste so much money elsewhere, then they could have given that to our elderly and vulnerable.

International aid is actually a good investment for us in my view.

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Take a look at the top 5 or 10 beneficiary countries we give international aid to. I'd say they make up a good chunk of the immigrants that come here. If we support them making their country more stable, it would probably be more financially worthwhile for us in the long term.

Unfortunately our press (and you've said this yourself) make it out that its a binary choice between giving international aid or giving to our elderly. And it isn't. If our Govt didn't waste so much money elsewhere, then they could have given that to our elderly and vulnerable.

International aid is actually a good investment for us in my view.

So the countries that receive the bulk of our overseas aid are the countries from where most immigrants come? One could argue that the aid is being wasted as it is not having a significant effect. Overseas aid should, of course, be worthwhile but the question is, is it going to the right places?

[baggieal]

So the countries that receive the bulk of our overseas aid are the countries from where most immigrants come? One could argue that the aid is being wasted as it is not having a significant effect. Overseas aid should, of course, be worthwhile but the question is, is it going to the right places?

I agree! 123 did not answer the point regarding India and China! Why the f uck are we sending these two countries aid when they are laughing at sanctions and buying cheap oil from the Russians! I would give both countries nothing and sanction them if they still purchase Russian oil! Talk about talking the p iss! China won’t comment on Russia as their own human rights are shocking and they will be licking their lips at Taiwan! Is the Indian leader on the scale of Putin - a dictator and we know about the China leader who has a love in with Putin!

There’s Macron too who says Putin should not be humiliated for f uck sake! It’s brainless comments like that which many will feel - thank the Lord we voted Brexit!

[WBA123]

I agree! 123 did not answer the point regarding India and China! Why the f uck are we sending these two countries aid when they are laughing at sanctions and buying cheap oil from the Russians! I would give both countries nothing and sanction them if they still purchase Russian oil! Talk about talking the p iss! China won’t comment on Russia as their own human rights are shocking and they will be licking their lips at Taiwan! Is the Indian leader on the scale of Putin - a dictator and we know about the China leader who has a love in with Putin!

There’s Macron too who says Putin should not be humiliated for f uck sake! It’s brainless comments like that which many will feel - thank the Lord we voted Brexit!

This is why your not involved in international trade or diplomacy. Can you imagine the harm on our economy, or the western economy, if we sanctioned India and China? That would only exacerbate the problem in Ukraine as it would only push these countries to trade more with Russia.

Also, only a small percentage of foreign aid goes to the govts of these countries. A lot of it goes to aid agencies, both India and China have real levels of poverty.

Another reason we do it is because both countries are likely to be super powers for decades to come. Support in the form of foreign aid will likely help us in any future trade deals that we will have to do now because of Brexit.

[baggieal]

This is why your not involved in international trade or diplomacy. Can you imagine the harm on our economy, or the western economy, if we sanctioned India and China? That would only exacerbate the problem in Ukraine as it would only push these countries to trade more with Russia.

Also, only a small percentage of foreign aid goes to the govts of these countries. A lot of it goes to aid agencies, both India and China have real levels of poverty.

Another reason we do it is because both countries are likely to be super powers for decades to come. Support in the form of foreign aid will likely help us in any future trade deals that we will have to do now because of Brexit.

Don’t agree and I was heavily involved in international trade as a CIPS professional! There’s a huge problem with poverty in this country had you not noticed ie lack of food on the table for kids and houses now without energy. On one hand we hand out 50 million pounds plus to the likes of India in foreign aid and on the other hand they weaken NATO sanctions with buying cheap Russian oil. I am sure you have heard the phrase many times - you do good price - and this is the moral of the story!

Now there are idiots trying to stop the first flights to Rwanda! The Inn is full for illegal immigrants and yes they should damn well go to Rwanda to be processed. Which charity is trying to stop the Rwanda processing - yes you have guessed it run by white snowflakes!!

Charity begins at home and many kids are now going without healthy food and keeping warm! Totally for legal immigration as more doctors, engineers are required. Those that study medicine should not be expected to accrue huge debts at university and it should be free!

Don’t get me going either on Chinese human rights and the tat that comes out of that country! Filthy people and would rather eat McDonalds than go to a Chinese restaurant - most are filthy!

Again I never voted but looking at some of the weak EU leaders - I am glad we are out of the EU! Don’t humiliate Putin says Macron and a huge percentage of the French voted for Le Pen who is a racist! The French are good though at letting the dinghies set sail across the channel without blinking an eye! At least Ukraine are very appreciative of Johnson and don’t wet their panties because he had a few glasses of wine - like most of us if the truth be known!

Starmer was on the news again today and for the 1000th time going on about Partygate. As the top man at the CPS I would have thought something more intelligent would have come from his trap! Then again ask anyone in the Police their biggest frustration about convictions - yes it’s the CPS! Surprise surprise!

[WBA123]

Don’t agree and I was heavily involved in international trade as a CIPS professional! There’s a huge problem with poverty in this country had you not noticed ie lack of food on the table for kids and houses now without energy. On one hand we hand out 50 million pounds plus to the likes of India in foreign aid and on the other hand they weaken NATO sanctions with buying cheap Russian oil. I am sure you have heard the phrase many times - you do good price - and this is the moral of the story!

Now there are idiots trying to stop the first flights to Rwanda! The Inn is full for illegal immigrants and yes they should damn well go to Rwanda to be processed. Which charity is trying to stop the Rwanda processing - yes you have guessed it run by white snowflakes!!

Charity begins at home and many kids are now going without healthy food and keeping warm! Totally for legal immigration as more doctors, engineers are required. Those that study medicine should not be expected to accrue huge debts at university and it should be free!

Don’t get me going either on Chinese human rights and the tat that comes out of that country! Filthy people and would rather eat McDonalds than go to a Chinese restaurant - most are filthy!

Again I never voted but looking at some of the weak EU leaders - I am glad we are out of the EU! Don’t humiliate Putin says Macron and a huge percentage of the French voted for Le Pen who is a racist! The French are good though at letting the dinghies set sail across the channel without blinking an eye! At least Ukraine are very appreciative of Johnson and don’t wet their panties because he had a few glasses of wine - like most of us if the truth be known!

Starmer was on the news again today and for the 1000th time going on about Partygate. As the top man at the CPS I would have thought something more intelligent would have come from his trap! Then again ask anyone in the Police their biggest frustration about convictions - yes it’s the CPS! Surprise surprise!

I think you're too set on your view to see both sides of the picture.

I've said on here previously its not a binary choice between looking after our citizens and foreign aid. If your that bothered about poverty in this country then why are you voting/supporting BJ? Poverty has only increased since the Tories have been in office. Take a look at how many food banks we had on 2010 compared to now.

If you're that bothered about the police/CPS why vote Tory? They've cut 21k police. Go and check out what the law society think of our criminal justice system and who they think is responsible.

Foreign Aid is a convenient target, for Tory voters and politicians. As was the EU. And do you know why - because it is easier for them them to blame others than their own failings. As you are doing now. Do you think its because we give £50m aid to China is the reason why nurses need to use foodbanks? Don't delude yourself.

This Government are shameful, an international embarrassment. But the biggest mugs are the people who vote for them. And then complain about poverty, and then blame the EU or Foreign Aid for the poverty or inflation or any other nonsense that the Tory government inflicts upon. We have a stupidly dumb electorate.