O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[hissingdwarf]

This. Any progress made in the Labour Party has been thrown under the bus totally by Starmer etc...

He threw the last election which resulted in a landslide victory for the Tories. He backed a second referendum/ peoples vote just before the election with the clear knowledge that it went against party policy and would go down like a fart in a pub in the red wall areas. My personal view is, this was a coup by the Blairites and was probably orchestrated by Mandelson, Chinn, and Blair himself. He now states that the party will never push to rejoin the EU… you can imagine how that will go down in affluent, middle class, Pro remain areas.

He made 10 pledges in order to become the leader of the Labour Party… he’s broken and changed the wording on every single one. He says he will break them all to make Labour electable again… power at any cost, eh?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...emy-corbyn-spt

The party asked Martin Forde to investigate the party on claims of anti semitism and the handling of complaints of AS after the internal reports highlighted invention, collusion, racism and bullying by “certain members of staff”. This report has been delayed and delayed… in all likelihood because they don’t like what it says and are now busy whitewashing it.

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/arti...-leaked-report

You want to vote for the Poundshop Tories… be my guest. I wont.

[crazyfists]

Me neither.
Of course Starmer would be an improvement on anyone the totally discredited Tories can offer. But I will never vote for him.


He chose 'business as usual' for our politics. He inherited a mass movement of engaged young people, but rejected it in favour of re-concentrating power in a Westminster-centric world where parliamentarians trade policies with vested interests and lobbyists. No wealth or power structure will ever be questioned. The country needs radical change across the board - with different voices (our voices) being heard in a voting system based on PR. Starmer is just hoping FPTP can throw Labour a few years of power (for the PLP cabal only) before the Tories take over yet again.


Labour can never win without Scotland anyway, so they better start thinking differently asap.
We'll have to accept a period of politics being totally dysfunctional before we can move on to something better and more representative. But it's dysfunctional anyway, so what is there to lose?

Agree with all of this. Starmer has been very underwhelming and is blowing a lot of his best ways forward.

[hissingdwarf]

Saya a alot when Starmer is in the Royal Box for the tennis rather than going to the Durham Big Weekend TU meeting.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

He threw the last election which resulted in a landslide victory for the Tories. He backed a second referendum/ peoples vote just before the election with the clear knowledge that it went against party policy and would go down like a fart in a pub in the red wall areas. My personal view is, this was a coup by the Blairites and was probably orchestrated by Mandelson, Chinn, and Blair himself. He now states that the party will never push to rejoin the EU… you can imagine how that will go down in affluent, middle class, Pro remain areas.

He made 10 pledges in order to become the leader of the Labour Party… he’s broken and changed the wording on every single one. He says he will break them all to make Labour electable again… power at any cost, eh?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...emy-corbyn-spt

The party asked Martin Forde to investigate the party on claims of anti semitism and the handling of complaints of AS after the internal reports highlighted invention, collusion, racism and bullying by “certain members of staff”. This report has been delayed and delayed… in all likelihood because they don’t like what it says and are now busy whitewashing it.

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/arti...-leaked-report

You want to vote for the Poundshop Tories… be my guest. I wont.

I would rather a pound shop tory than the fully fledged real McCoy that runs the country Now ! ..
Corbyns gone the country didnt want him due to the damage done by the media.He was already a a hated man before the media ground him into the dirt but I dont see any reason why Kier and Raynor cant Cherry pick some of his best ideas when moving forward...

[hissingdwarf]

I would rather a pound shop tory than the fully fledged real McCoy that runs the country Now ! ..
Corbyns gone the country didnt want him due to the damage done by the media.He was already a a hated man before the media ground him into the dirt but I dont see any reason why Kier and Raynor cant Cherry pick some of his best ideas when moving forward...

That’s the point though. They haven’t. As was said before, a generation of people finally engaged in politics and the interest moving towards younger people rather than the pale, stale Tories…
And it’s all been thrown away, probably due to donors and sponsors saying they want a pale blue imitation.
Corbyn is done. As you said, media destroyed him and people believed the rubbish. But it doesn’t look like anyone in the LP is even willing to take it by the throat and push on. The LP is constantly stuck with in fighting locally and nationally.
That’s why Mick Lynch made such an impact the other week. He was willing to step up, be honest, blunt and take no prisoners.

[GranthamPie]

I would rather a pound shop tory than the fully fledged real McCoy that runs the country Now ! ..
Corbyns gone the country didnt want him due to the damage done by the media.He was already a a hated man before the media ground him into the dirt but I dont see any reason why Kier and Raynor cant Cherry pick some of his best ideas when moving forward...

Hated?… nah… only by the establishment, never ordinary people. A man of principle, honesty and integrity… values sadly lacking in the current Labour regime. I went to many of the rally’s where he spoke… thousands upon thousands turned up to listen to him speak.

Remember Glastonbury?

https://youtu.be/w2uW5YsJkOE

[hissingdwarf]

Need a like button here!

Hated?… nah… only by the establishment, never ordinary people. A man of principle, honesty and integrity… values sadly lacking in the current Labour regime. I went to many of the rally’s where he spoke… thousands upon thousands turned up to listen to him speak.

Remember Glastonbury?

https://youtu.be/w2uW5YsJkOE

[magpie_mania]

Hated?… nah… only by the establishment, never ordinary people. A man of principle, honesty and integrity… values sadly lacking in the current Labour regime. I went to many of the rally’s where he spoke… thousands upon thousands turned up to listen to him speak.

Remember Glastonbury?

https://youtu.be/w2uW5YsJkOE

Also the man who had Abbott and McDonnell as his sidekicks. Shudders.

I would have to change my allegiance to vote Labour and can't see me doing it really, but there is more chance now than when Cornyn was leader.

[GranthamPie]

Also the man who had Abbott and McDonnell as his sidekicks. Shudders.

I would have to change my allegiance to vote Labour and can't see me doing it really, but there is more chance now than when Cornyn was leader.

As opposed to Patel and Mogg?

Yup.. you’ve sold it to me

[Elite_Pie]

The country needs radical change across the board - with different voices (our voices) being heard in a voting system based on PR.

That's about where I'm at. I've never been a big fan of PR before because it all seemed a bit wishy-washy, but after the way this bunch have scandalously and callously abused a big majority I see it as the best way forward, in the short term at least.

As things stand, I can't support any party with conviction, so my vote will again go to the candidate most likely to keep the Tory out.