Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
Yes, it was my word to describe the electoral scenario you seem to be imagining. What word would you use? To dismiss the 1997-2010 Labour government as ‘red Tories’ is nonsense. Are you trying to pretend there’s no difference between that and what we’ve had for the last 12 years? Because if you are you’ve been damn lucky. And I fully acknowledge that Blair could have done much more with the majority he had.
So 'nirvana' is an election outcome that delivers no workable Govt?
I think it's a likely scenario and could bring positive change in the long run. We would be protected from having a Govt like the Pfeffel one...unlimited power on just 30% of the electorate.

Yes, I'll always regard the Blair Govt as Red Tories - no lasting change was enacted. But 'no difference' is you jumping to an extreme again to misrepresent what I'm saying. Demand more and working class people will get more.
The nature of the Labour leadership, the way Westminster and the media works, the mechanics of Whitehall - all of that points to piecemeal changes only and the exclusion of any voices/ideas calling for more radical change. What's wrong with wanting more than that?
As I said I'll vote Green. Labour has lost my vote and millions like me I'd guess.