Houses

[sinkov]

"Generations of aspiring homeowners are being failed by the Government and will struggle to get on the property ladder without major planning reforms, the boss of Redrow has claimed. In a warning shot to Tory leadership candidates Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak, Matthew Pratt said saving up a deposit without help from the “bank of mum and dad” was now almost impossible for a current generation of renters. He warned the problem will only get worse without reforms to ensure more planning permissions are granted, allowing home building to be ramped up."

This is my question BT, housebuilders say, as above, they could build more houses but they can't get planning permission, so where is it they can't get planning permission, because it's certainly not any of the places I know and visit. The whole north of England appears to be one vast building site, so where is the problem, it's not up here. Could it be the housebuilders are putting us away, there are often claims that they're buying up land to build on and then just sitting on the land and not developing it, they are rapacious, capitalist, parasites after all aren't they.

Whatever, the evidence of my own eyes does not fit with the narrative, and I simply wonder just WTF is going on.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

"Generations of aspiring homeowners are being failed by the Government and will struggle to get on the property ladder without major planning reforms, the boss of Redrow has claimed. In a warning shot to Tory leadership candidates Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak, Matthew Pratt said saving up a deposit without help from the “bank of mum and dad” was now almost impossible for a current generation of renters. He warned the problem will only get worse without reforms to ensure more planning permissions are granted, allowing home building to be ramped up."

This is my question BT, housebuilders say, as above, they could build more houses but they can't get planning permission, so where is it they can't get planning permission, because it's certainly not any of the places I know and visit. The whole north of England appears to be one vast building site, so where is the problem, it's not up here. Could it be the housebuilders are putting us away, there are often claims that they're buying up land to build on and then just sitting on the land and not developing it, they are rapacious, capitalist, parasites after all aren't they.

Whatever, the evidence of my own eyes does not fit with the narrative, and I simply wonder just WTF is going on.

You are absolutely bang on mon ami. Drive up past the LIDL towards Pendle Hill, going past Shawbridge on the left and you will no doubt notice they are trying to connect Wiswell to Clitheroe and not a "Council House" in sight.

[sinkov]

You are absolutely bang on mon ami. Drive up past the LIDL towards Pendle Hill, going past Shawbridge on the left and you will no doubt notice they are trying to connect Wiswell to Clitheroe and not a "Council House" in sight.

Seriously mon ami, a couple of months ago I tried to count the number of new developments in this area, I lost track and lost count, there were that many of them. New ones kept appearing that I never knew were there. I could try again, but I really can't be arsed, what's the point anyway ?

[wanderlust]

You invited 2 million Africans and Asians into your country just since 2020. Another million are coming this year. There's no end.

You can pull down every Green Belt in the UK; you'll never keep ahead of it.

We might have invited them (we didn't) but either way they didn't come. Check the immigration figures before making false inflammatory statements like that.
And check the birth rate - which in the UK is DOUBLE the net immigration figures.

Fact is we, like the rest of the world, continue to breed despite dwindling resources. Everybody thinks it's their right and in some cases their duty,

Need to put something in the water to save humanity from extinction by overpopulation.

[sinkov]

From the Migration Observatory,

"Net migration to England and Wales averaged 200,000 per year between the 2011 and 2021 Censuses, including British citizens"

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...d-from-the-uk/

That's a town the size of Blackburn and Burnley together being added every year, year on year, to an already overcrowded island. Is it any wonder there is a shortage of houses or that the NHS is under enormous pressure. I would suggest it is simply impossible to build enough houses or hospitals quickly enough to cope with the annual increase in the population.

The last major reservoir constructed was 31 years ago in 1991, the population has increased by around 20% (10 million) since then. They'll be talking about a water shortage soon.

[wanderlust]

You are absolutely bang on mon ami. Drive up past the LIDL towards Pendle Hill, going past Shawbridge on the left and you will no doubt notice they are trying to connect Wiswell to Clitheroe and not a "Council House" in sight.

Councils have a responsibility to provide "social housing" and usually insist on any new development to include and element of social housing.
Developers are interested in building fancy houses that they can sell at inflated prices so social housing is not seen as being profitable enough - so they do the minimum they can get away with - and in a bent system where developers wield political and economic power they can get away with murder. The thing is that they bought up vast tracts of the rural landscape years ago so they want to profit from them.

But the key questions for me are
1. what's wrong with renting?
Many EU countries have 70% renting and because the rental market is buoyant it is competitive, so quality increases and prices are controlled by the market because there are more rental properties to choose from. Need to change the British "castle" psyche
2. what's wrong with repairing and maintaining urban sites rather than continually pushing into rural areas?
There's loads of brown field sites abandoned and decrepit in most towns so why not compulsorily purchase them and rebuild the urban environment with rental properties? Which would also go some way towards regenerating the high streets?
F*** the rural developers.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Councils have a responsibility to provide "social housing" and usually insist on any new development to include and element of social housing.
Developers are interested in building fancy houses that they can sell at inflated prices so social housing is not seen as being profitable enough - so they do the minimum they can get away with - and in a bent system where developers wield political and economic power they can get away with murder. The thing is that they bought up vast tracts of the rural landscape years ago so they want to profit from them.

But the key questions for me are
1. what's wrong with renting?
Many EU countries have 70% renting and because the rental market is buoyant it is competitive, so quality increases and prices are controlled by the market because there are more rental properties to choose from. Need to change the British "castle" psyche
2. what's wrong with repairing and maintaining urban sites rather than continually pushing into rural areas?
There's loads of brown field sites abandoned and decrepit in most towns so why not compulsorily purchase them and rebuild the urban environment with rental properties? Which would also go some way towards regenerating the high streets?
F*** the rural developers.

Not often you talk sense Lusty but you are bang on with this one mate.

If three numpties like you, me and sinkov can tell you what's wrong in about 10 posts on a footy forum, WTF are this government doing about it besides the square root of f*ck all?

[sinkov]

Councils have a responsibility to provide "social housing" and usually insist on any new development to include and element of social housing.
Developers are interested in building fancy houses that they can sell at inflated prices so social housing is not seen as being profitable enough - so they do the minimum they can get away with - and in a bent system where developers wield political and economic power they can get away with murder. The thing is that they bought up vast tracts of the rural landscape years ago so they want to profit from them.

But the key questions for me are
1. what's wrong with renting?

There's a huge estate going up off Waddington Rd, Clitheroe, Barratts and David Wilson seem to be sharing the site and it's massive. The cheapest Barratts offer is a 3 bed detached at £293,000, Wilson's cheapest is a 4 bed at just over £400,000.

The social housing they are obliged to provide is a tiny terraced row of just 8 bungalows, better than nothing I suppose, but it just doesn't touch the sides of the social housing shortage.

IMO the problem with renting is security of tenure. No one wants to find themselves potentially homeless, or having to move on the whim of a landlord. I would actually have moved into rented accommodation about a year ago, but for this very problem.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

There's a huge estate going up off Waddington Rd, Clitheroe, Barratts and David Wilson seem to be sharing the site and it's massive. The cheapest Barratts offer is a 3 bed detached at £293,000, Wilson's cheapest is a 4 bed at just over £400,000.

The social housing they are obliged to provide is a tiny terraced row of just 8 bungalows, better than nothing I suppose, but it just doesn't touch the sides of the social housing shortage.

IMO the problem with renting is security of tenure. No one wants to find themselves potentially homeless, or having to move on the whim of a landlord. I would actually have moved into rented accommodation about a year ago, but for this very problem.

To add to the discussion, mon ami we decided to sell rather than let a townhouse we own in Bolton. It's nothing special, mid-terraced with front and back gardens, separate garage, three bedrooms. It sold within one hour.

Out of interest with this thread I googled and it's estimated 250,000 people are homeless in the UK. Something is going seriously wrong somewhere.

[Supersub6]

To add to the discussion, mon ami we decided to sell rather than let a townhouse we own in Bolton. It's nothing special, mid-terraced with front and back gardens, separate garage, three bedrooms. It sold within one hour.

Out of interest with this thread I googled and it's estimated 250,000 people are homeless in the UK. Something is going seriously wrong somewhere.

Your last sentence BT, does it say how many choose to be homeless, does it go into ethnicity or is it just a media figure that nobody has fully researched?
The reason that I ask is that I am aware of several Veterans who, sadly, prefer to remain homeless because they have received a lot of hassle from some members of Joe Public when they have been living in housing. It is a very sad world.