Migrants Keep Coming and Coming

[animallittle3]

I’d like to see a documentary on TV about immigration and to hear an honest account from the immigrants themselves as to their main reason for bypassing all Eu countries to risk getting into the U.K.

Even if it involved blanking out faces and disguising voices I’d just like to know?

If I were “escaping” a bad country, one of my last options would be the U.K. if I’m honest.

There has to be a big reason for heading to here, is it the handouts, the free housing, the free healthcare, a motobility car if you can feign a decent limp or is it the weather?

It’d just be nice to hear or see an honest report on why, why here?

Try this one Mick , we are getting lied to .


https://youtu.be/D4NHR7MbMos

[Omegstrat6]

Try this one Mick , we are getting lied to .


https://youtu.be/D4NHR7MbMos

Don't really disagree with any of the points made here but the moot point remains. The fella from the SDP is right of course in saying that the problem could be pretty much solved by having truly secure borders and is also right to say that you can have a secure border if you want to providing there is the political will to do so- but he also studiously avoids telling us one of the consequences of enacting that process. Truth #11 would be that lots of innocent and vulnerable people would very likely die . That is the problem. The answer, in Realpolitik, would be to enact secure border policies but it may prove too unpalatable for many.

[Titchfieldbaggie]

Don't really disagree with any of the points made here but the moot point remains. The fella from the SDP is right of course in saying that the problem could be pretty much solved by having truly secure borders and is also right to say that you can have a secure border if you want to providing there is the political will to do so- but he also studiously avoids telling us one of the consequences of enacting that process. Truth #11 would be that lots of innocent and vulnerable people would very likely die . That is the problem. The answer, in Realpolitik, would be to enact secure border policies but it may prove too unpalatable for many.

Put it to a vote?

[regis80]

I’d like to see a documentary on TV about immigration and to hear an honest account from the immigrants themselves as to their main reason for bypassing all Eu countries to risk getting into the U.K.

Even if it involved blanking out faces and disguising voices I’d just like to know?

If I were “escaping” a bad country, one of my last options would be the U.K. if I’m honest.

There has to be a big reason for heading to here, is it the handouts, the free housing, the free healthcare, a motobility car if you can feign a decent limp or is it the weather?

It’d just be nice to hear or see an honest report on why, why here?

Here’s one made 2 years ago Mick, might be a little old though but not in the doc style you are hoping for.

https://youtu.be/p6PhzF0OK2w

[animallittle3]

Don't really disagree with any of the points made here but the moot point remains. The fella from the SDP is right of course in saying that the problem could be pretty much solved by having truly secure borders and is also right to say that you can have a secure border if you want to providing there is the political will to do so- but he also studiously avoids telling us one of the consequences of enacting that process. Truth #11 would be that lots of innocent and vulnerable people would very likely die . That is the problem. The answer, in Realpolitik, would be to enact secure border policies but it may prove too unpalatable for many.

There's a difference in my opinion from fleeing troublesome country's and fleeing persecution .

A troublesome country could easily be Northern Ireland in the 70's , 80' and 90's .

The Catholics didn't all flee to the Republic and all the Protestants didn't come over here .

[Omegstrat6]

There's a difference in my opinion from fleeing troublesome country's and fleeing persecution .

A troublesome country could easily be Northern Ireland in the 70's , 80' and 90's .

The Catholics didn't all flee to the Republic and all the Protestants didn't come over here .

I agree with you that there is a difference between the two and that priority should be given to those fleeing persecution where their lives are genuinely at risk.

As the video you posted stated, there are many sound reasons why others should try to come over for economic reasons but I think most would want to work here to improve their lot. I have a lot of sympathy for them but if you had secure borders they could still apply to enter legally. If secure borders led to a sharp decline in illegals entering the country then there may be a quota still to allow a small amount of legal immigration due to such economic reasons. But we clearly do not have the capacity to take the vast numbers who might want to come.

It's surely hard to argue against the concept of secure borders. The problem, to me, is really around some of the consequences involved in achieving that.

[WBA123]

Someone with no money in this country, going to food banks and hardly anyone says anything. A foreigner coming here illegally and there’s an uproar if they aren’t treated properly. You used the word “Invasion” how could you?! Well, people with a fiver left over to feed three kids…..How could you?
The reporters on TV are the worst, all watery eyed over pop stars but laying into politicians and being contrary just because. Talking over them, not letting them answer. Everyone is working against everyone else. Governments are no longer allowed to govern.

You are thinking exactly how the Tories want you to think.

Immigrants are not the reason people are struggling in this country. For that, you can blame the party who have been in power for 12 years.

[WBA123]

This thread is about illegal immigration though, which Brexit has nothing to do with and hasn't attempted to address. Illegal immigration is small numbers compared to legal immigration.

I read a couple of months ago that legal EU immigration in the UK had decreased to 40k (ish) migrants compared to 400k in previous years. Would have to find the source but I think it was the Guardian.

I get you don't like Brexit, but the majority of the country wanted restrictions on immigration. Try recruiting from overseas now compared to 6 years ago and see the difference.

You don't think Brexit has been a factor on non-EU immigration? Most people on here voted for it because they were conned into believing it would reduce immigration. We now have less international influence than we had before and our relationship with the French has deteriorated. So yes, I think Brexit is a factor in this.

I don't understand your final point, the only thing that has changed in EU immigration is much harder. Non-EU immigration there is little difference.

[WBA123]

You always cut and paste information found. Wrong and as having lived in Spain for many years and went to Uni there - you try claiming as almost impossible!! On the other hand in the U.K. handouts are thrown at you and if you can’t speak English balmy councils have up**** printed language translations.

The poor mites in Manston in crowded conditions!! They need to be shipped to Rwanda and after processing if any match skill sets we need ie doctors, engineers etc they would be welcome!

Nothing to do with Brexit as Matt has mentioned. EU workers are hard working and many have left. It’s the single males flooding here from countries which are a terrorist threat!
Whilst they are waiting to be shipped to Rwanda why can’t they clean Manston spotlessly clean? There’s no such thing as a free lunch!!!

Those are the payments an Asylum seeker would receive in Spain or UK. So there is barely any difference.

If you think people come here for the benefits over France or Spain, you are mistaken.

[Omegstrat6]

You are thinking exactly how the Tories want you to think.

Immigrants are not the reason people are struggling in this country. For that, you can blame the party who have been in power for 12 years.

I agree that illegal immigration is not the reason for the current situation we find ourselves in and the monies spent on them is likely far less than the potential in lost revenues from not properly taxing big companies like Amazon or savings that could be made by introducing windfall taxes on the likes of BP or Shell. Nevertheless, the country does have to fork out large sums of money to cover the varied costs of illegal immigration which it should not have to if we had secure borders. Plus, of course, there is the issue of criminal activity linked to such illegal immigration. The issue does need dealing with and people are right to be concerned about it.

As for the Tories being to blame, well they and their policies have certainly not helped, but whilst you might be right to be critical of some of their reactions you can't really blame them for the covid pandemic or Putin's invasion of Ukraine and the global fallout from these.