What's not to like?

[The Bedlington Terrier]

You brought his name up mon ami, you must have thought it had some import, but who is he, and more to the point, who cares ? Williamson stays, Williamson goes, what difference will it make to you or me, or anyone else, and who gives a FF ?

Coffey, Truss, Theresa May, Kwarteng, Williamson, Braverman, the list of Toxic party numpties is endless mon ami and it matters because these fecking eejits are running this country of ours into the fecking ground.

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[The Bedlington Terrier]

Much as I admire your renewed belief in the Labour Party BT , it really is as Sinkov says and I’ve been saying for so long that all politicians care about is number 1 , let’s not forget also that Labour has a big hand in where we are today - Mr Blair has an awful lot to answer for and yet is walking around Scott free.

As we said before they’re all the same - but I know we’ll be worse as a country under the Labour tenure, the toxic party comments are a little wearing tbh.

How do you know that any alternative to the Toxic party would be worse army88? I find it incomprehensible that any alternative could be worse than this shower of $hit.

What have we had 3 different Prime Ministers in 8 weeks, 3 different Chancellors in a month and 3 different Home Secretaries in 6 weeks. It's fecking impossible to believe anything could get much worse.

It's really not my fault the Toxic party are running this $hitfest army88...

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[sinkov]

Coffey, Truss, Theresa May, Kwarteng, Williamson, Braverman, the list of Toxic party numpties is endless mon ami and it matters because these fecking eejits are running this country of ours into the fecking ground.

Still don't get it do you BT ? These clowns aren't running anything, Rishi will do as he's told by his WEF chums, the rest of them don't matter. And wait until they get a grip of Starmer after the next election, within months he'll resemble nothing more than a man chucked out of an aeroplane at ten thousand feet without a parachute.
But some mugs won't notice, they'll keep on wibbling about Toxic Tories, Far Right bogeymen, or is it Far Right zealots and demanding the return of the crusty old anti semite, Jeremy Corbyn.

[army88]

I'm very curious as to how you could believe we would be worse off under the labour party?

I wish i was wealthy enough to get the most of the tory leadership but unfortunately I'm not and i doubt i ever will be. I don't know nor want to know the social status of anyone on this forum but if you're working class even middle class and vote Tory it's like shooting yourself and your mates in the foot.

Reality is that I’m self employed my own business if you like and Labour are never good for business ( traditionally ) that is , they’ll also spend spend spend and taxes will Rise a lot because as i always say there is only ever one pot of money - as with all political parties and tenure some public will gain while others are punished to pay for the in balance elsewhere.

I’m not en hammered with the Tories in the last 12/18 months either, but Im confident the outcome of brexit and pandemic would have been worse under Labour ( to be fair to the Tories they didn’t ask/ deserve that card dealt).

We are as a country leaking money like it’s going out of fashion, with the NHS and immigration two black holes they’ll never fill until someone actually gets a grip and stops/ controls what’s happening- it’s bad now but under a Labour government these two issues alone will destroy the country, the way they’re run now is bad enough but the black hole will just get bigger.

So class/ social standing I suppose does matter if your right at the top or right at the bottom , experience tells me them right in the middle end up paying especially under Labour,

Having said all of that the Labour Party today is more conservative than it’s ever been , you only have to look at the MPs - wages how they work - be honest now they’re nearly identical aren’t they , the working class man’s party is long gone a distant blur.

They’re all on the take and me me me me me as much as any conservative- liberal or monster raving loony party member - sadly society has dropped the bar and everyone is the same they only care about them and that’s from politicians down so we’re Fecked whoever is so called in charge of running the country.

[Swissclaret]

What always amazes me about British politics is how otherwise seemingly intelligent people exhibit a blind adherence to a political party irrespective of their success.

Both Labour Governments and Conservative Governments have, over the years, done some good things and some bad things.

True political debate is sadly lacking in both content and rigour. There is too much «*if a Tory says it, it is wrong*», «*if Labours says it, it is wrong*».

Life will only get better in Britain if everybody looks at the immediate problems facing the country and how to work together to resolve the problems. Consensual politics works far better than confrontational politics. Which other walk of life believes that the best way to succeed is to argue all the time and focus on scoring points off each other? That is like the proverbial Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

Who cares a fig about debating Gavin Williamson when there are so many issues facing the country.

How can it be right that a train driver earns £40´000 plus a year for sitting in a the cab of a train, whilst a nurse, who saves lives, has to have a degree (read student debt) and earns £10’000 a year. It was Tony Blair’s idea to bring in the requirement for a degree. That has really worked well for the country!

[Supersub6]

What always amazes me about British politics is how otherwise seemingly intelligent people exhibit a blind adherence to a political party irrespective of their success.

Both Labour Governments and Conservative Governments have, over the years, done some good things and some bad things.

True political debate is sadly lacking in both content and rigour. There is too much «*if a Tory says it, it is wrong*», «*if Labours says it, it is wrong*».

Life will only get better in Britain if everybody looks at the immediate problems facing the country and how to work together to resolve the problems. Consensual politics works far better than confrontational politics. Which other walk of life believes that the best way to succeed is to argue all the time and focus on scoring points off each other? That is like the proverbial Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

Who cares a fig about debating Gavin Williamson when there are so many issues facing the country.

How can it be right that a train driver earns £40´000 plus a year for sitting in a the cab of a train, whilst a nurse, who saves lives, has to have a degree (read student debt) and earns £10’000 a year. It was Tony Blair’s idea to bring in the requirement for a degree. That has really worked well for the country!

Great post, swiss, which explains the stupid attitude of those who stick rigidly to 'their' parties. I had a lot of contact with government ministers in the early 1980s whilst I was in the RAF and this led to my becoming apolitical in all aspects. Sadly, those people who adhere to their party allegiances are as guilty as the politicians who blindly follow their own party policies without very much question.

I am in total agreement about the Blair era and his 'Education, education' blathering. This has led to a load of people with degrees going into jobs like nursing, becoming paramedics etc. whilst lots of unqualified people would love to be in the jobs because they are carers and want to help people.
My son is a Paramedic of 40 years experience, however, a number of years ago, he was told that, to make real progress, he would need a degree, which he could study for in his own time and at his own expense. He, along with quite a number of his colleagues, decided that they would just get on and do the job. So, while people were getting degrees, he wa first on scene at the Paddington rail crash, worked through the fire at Kings Cross, was in the middle of the London bombings etc., etc.

He has now become so disillusioned with the management's handling of the pandemic and its total disregard for many members of staff that he is in the process of working his notice from a job which was all he ever wanted to do. He had four GCE O levels, including art, when he left school, however, he could do his job and cares about people.

You only need to look at the majority of MPs and they have gone through Uni, got degrees, worked in Law or Politics and then gone on to become politicians and definitely have the blinkers on!
Sorry about the rant.

[Swissclaret]

Great post, swiss, which explains the stupid attitude of those who stick rigidly to 'their' parties. I had a lot of contact with government ministers in the early 1980s whilst I was in the RAF and this led to my becoming apolitical in all aspects. Sadly, those people who adhere to their party allegiances are as guilty as the politicians who blindly follow their own party policies without very much question.

I am in total agreement about the Blair era and his 'Education, education' blathering. This has led to a load of people with degrees going into jobs like nursing, becoming paramedics etc. whilst lots of unqualified people would love to be in the jobs because they are carers and want to help people.
My son is a Paramedic of 40 years experience, however, a number of years ago, he was told that, to make real progress, he would need a degree, which he could study for in his own time and at his own expense. He, along with quite a number of his colleagues, decided that they would just get on and do the job. So, while people were getting degrees, he wa first on scene at the Paddington rail crash, worked through the fire at Kings Cross, was in the middle of the London bombings etc., etc.

He has now become so disillusioned with the management's handling of the pandemic and its total disregard for many members of staff that he is in the process of working his notice from a job which was all he ever wanted to do. He had four GCE O levels, including art, when he left school, however, he could do his job and cares about people.

You only need to look at the majority of MPs and they have gone through Uni, got degrees, worked in Law or Politics and then gone on to become politicians and definitely have the blinkers on!
Sorry about the rant.

Thanks Supersub. Not a rant. Sadly you tell it how it is. It is about time that the wasters in Westminster woke up to reality and stopped their ridiculous Panglossian approach that all is for the best in the best of all possible words (with apologies to Voltaire if my translation is inaccurate).

Britain is a sh*tshow, quite frankly. Neither Labour nor the Tories evidence any real ability to solve the problems other than throwing more money at the problem. The British taxpayer deserves better than that, but the system doesn’t allow anything other than one set of idiots run the shop, then the next set of idiots replace them and so on ad infinitum.

It is a classic example of the definition of insanity!

[Supersub6]

Thanks Supersub. Not a rant. Sadly you tell it how it is. It is about time that the wasters in Westminster woke up to reality and stopped their ridiculous Panglossian approach that all is for the best in the best of all possible words (with apologies to Voltaire if my translation is inaccurate).

Britain is a sh*tshow, quite frankly. Neither Labour nor the Tories evidence any real ability to solve the problems other than throwing more money at the problem. The British taxpayer deserves better than that, but the system doesn’t allow anything other than one set of idiots run the shop, then the next set of idiots replace them and so on ad infinitum.

It is a classic example of the definition of insanity!

In the words of our esteemed poster from the Ribble Valley "The lunatics have taken over the asylum!"

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Still don't get it do you BT ? These clowns aren't running anything, Rishi will do as he's told by his WEF chums, the rest of them don't matter. And wait until they get a grip of Starmer after the next election, within months he'll resemble nothing more than a man chucked out of an aeroplane at ten thousand feet without a parachute.
But some mugs won't notice, they'll keep on wibbling about Toxic Tories, Far Right bogeymen, or is it Far Right zealots and demanding the return of the crusty old anti semite, Jeremy Corbyn.

Your pessimism is really quite alarming mon ami.

We can do so much better sinkov but without the political will to do better we have tens of thousands of our children living in real poverty.

I'm sick of the Tory party bull$hit. The simple truth is the need to level things up is urgent and despite countless Toxic party promises nothing ever happens, nor it ever will.

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...CMP=GTUK_email

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Some journo was asked a couple of minutes ago what Starmer should go on at PMQs, all six questions should be on Williamson, he said. With all the problems we face, potential nuclear war with Russia, the economy falling into recession, billions of pounds of debt, the lights going out this winter, diesel nearly £2 a gallon with all the inflationary pressures that brings and all the political class want discuss is some no mark called Williamson.

There, in a nutshell, is all you need to know about the complete and utter irrelevance of party politics in this country.

When you have total w@nkbags like Alex Brummer egging these over privileged eggheads on, is it any wonder we are in the deep brown stuff...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...doomsters.html