O/T:- Ukraine [Incorporating 'Congrats to Russia' thread]

[Jampie]

I think both sides feel the same way in that regard.

Yeah there's no "both sides"ing this one. Russia's completely in the wrong and should withdraw. End of story.

[applepie2]

That's one of the many differences between us. I can remember all the previous agreements with Ukraine that Russia broke, and I can accept that they aren't a reliable party to agreements anymore.

Sadly the UK isn’t in a strong position to tell others to honour agreements any more.

[Jampie]

Sadly the UK isn’t in a strong position to tell others to honour agreements any more.

That's sad for the UK and all but I'm not in the UK and I don't find it particularly relevant...

[Old_pie]

I’ve answered many of your questions. Now it’s your turn to answer one for me,

Take a quick look at this article from the NYT about an election in Iraq. What do you see in the photo? Would you also describe that election to be “at gunpoint”? Do you think it’s election results were legit? And try to be consistent.

https://archive.ph/H3LTm

I'm sorry but if you can't see the difference we are not talking the same language.

[andy6025]

I'm sorry but if you can't see the difference we are not talking the same language.

Ok, so where’s all the footage of these people voting in their flats with guns in their faces?

Surely in the days of phone cameras at least one person set up a hidden phone to video this outrage, no? These regions combined have over a million homes.

The only footage I’ve seen is one commonly circulated clip of an armed guard preceding an election worker carrying ballot box up a tower block staircase.

Of course from Ukrainian officials from the Ukrainian side you can read horror stories of people having their doors kicked in and the like, but where is it? I can’t believe that nobody has been able to capture it on camera.

But to answer your question, do a rerun any way you like. Let the people decide. Surely you wouldn’t have a problem with that, would you?

[Jampie]

Ok, so where’s all the footage of these people voting in their flats with guns in their faces?

Surely in the days of phone cameras at least one person set up a hidden phone to video this outrage, no? These regions combined have over a million homes.

The only footage I’ve seen is one commonly circulated clip of an armed guard preceding an election worker carrying ballot box up a tower block staircase.

Of course from Ukrainian officials from the Ukrainian side you can read horror stories of people having their doors kicked in and the like, but where is it? I can’t believe that nobody has been able to capture it on camera.

But to answer your question, do a rerun any way you like. Let the people decide. Surely you wouldn’t have a problem with that, would you?

Russia first.

Each oblast in Russia gets a UN controlled referendum after NATO invades and controls the territory.

This is what you are proposing for Ukraine. Fair, yes?

[andy6025]

Russia first.

Each oblast in Russia gets a UN controlled referendum after NATO invades and controls the territory.

This is what you are proposing for Ukraine. Fair, yes?

Once again the Jamside Story forges its own unique characterization that absolutely nobody else is pushing.

Can I ask you to be a little thoughtful in your questions though? Given my already stated position on referendums anywhere and everywhere, can’t you already guess my answer for this one?

[frenchmagpie]

Once again the Jamside Story forges its own unique characterization that absolutely nobody else is pushing.

Can I ask you to be a little thoughtful in your questions though? Given my already stated position on referendums anywhere and everywhere, can’t you already guess my answer for this one?

mmm you're wrong again. Everyone can see the problem in your arguement. Who do you suggest moves in to Catalonia and Spain and devastates the country and slaughters the civilian population. I don't think the Franco-Catalans are up for it.

[Jampie]

Once again the Jamside Story forges its own unique characterization that absolutely nobody else is pushing.

Can I ask you to be a little thoughtful in your questions though? Given my already stated position on referendums anywhere and everywhere, can’t you already guess my answer for this one?

No. Answer please?

[andy6025]

No. Answer please?

If independence referendums in every Russian oblast are part of a peace settlement, then I have no objection - even if they ‘go first’.

But I doubt you have any serious takers in NATO though for a NATO invasion of Russia like you proposed, or even any of them remotely suggesting it as a condition of settlement. It seems to be pure Jamside Land fantasy story.