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  1. #1
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    Not better to have 1 pt above 3 rd? and 1 pt above 7 th? or average for 3 rd and 7 th

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    Quote Originally Posted by cayambe View Post
    Not better to have 1 pt above 3 rd? and 1 pt above 7 th? or average for 3 rd and 7 th
    No, you are completely wrong about that.

    The most important split point is 1 point above 4th. There is no practical difference between 3rd and 1 point above 3rd. Whereas 1 point above 4th guarantees automatic promotion.

    Similarly, another important split is 1 point above 8th. There is no practical difference between 7th and 1 point above 7th. The only difference is the opposition that you play in the Play-Off Semi-Final. But since you need to win the whole Play-Off competition it is of no consequence who you play in the Semi-Final. The important split is 1 point above 8th which is the difference between being and not being in the Play-Offs.

    The average number of points by the 3rd and 7th teams are similarly figures of no consequence. This is because a team finishing 3rd may have finished several points ahead of 4th. That is a poor average to take because if a team finishes 3rd with 2 points more than 4th the points necessary to finish 3rd in that season would actually have been 1 less than that achieved by the team finishing 3rd. Thus the average number of points needed to finish 1 point above 4th is the correct figure and similarly the average number of points needed to finish 1 point above 8th is the correct figure. They are in the table.

    1 point above 7th is totally irrelevant to any issue, as is 1 point above 3rd.
    The average number of points for 3rd and 7th are totally irrelevant because to finish in those positions it may have been possible to have done so by getting fewer points.

    Have a clear think about it. Your issue has been raised in the past and I recall that Griff understands the reason for my figures being by far the most appropriate
    Last edited by _Stefan_Kuntz; 01-01-2023 at 02:43 PM.

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    I.e.
    2nd place finishes on 76 points.
    3rd place finishes on 75 points.
    4th place finishes on 72 points.

    What is the crucial figure here? It is 73 points. Basing any calculation on 3rd place figure of 75 points is irrelevant.
    To get into the Play-Offs the figure is 1 point above 4th place. So giving the 4th place plus one point situation for
    each season and then taking the average over 10 seasons is appropriate. It is what the aim is.
    We shall ignore goal difference because the options are too numerous.

    So you can clearly see that the most important figures are :-
    1 point more than 4th.
    1 point more than 8th.
    1 point more than 23rd.

    Basing calculations on the number of points that 3rd+1, 7th+1 and 22nd+1 amount to is irrelevant.

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