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[Mason89]

Great post DondyDan, much better than the hundreds I’ve offered up on the subject


I quite like the weightlifter Laura Marieles take on it

https://twitter.com/stubblystephie/s...iud5yNFzO6DSiQ

[DondyDan]

Great post DondyDan, much better than the hundreds I’ve offered up on the subject


I quite like the weightlifter Laura Marieles take on it

https://twitter.com/stubblystephie/s...iud5yNFzO6DSiQ

Good on her. You really can't argue with that

[stewarty27]

I find bigotry fairly irksome.

Me Too also Misogyny,

[Mason89]

Me Too also Misogyny,

No you don’t

[stewarty27]

I'm not Mason but I'll jump in here as I share the view that trans men and women should be afforded equal rights to live their lives as they feel comfortable, as long as they aren't hurting anyone else.

The debate of a man transitioning to a woman and competing in sport is, for me, a very tricky one (although you and DD will claim it is black and white). There will obviously be areas of their physical and biologial development, such as testoterone levels and muscle mass, that could give them an unfair advantage. However, there is (very valid) science to prove this is not the case, and that men who have transitioned and received testosterone lowering treatment have not performed any better.

However, this are needs a lot more research as, in my opinion, there needs to be a levelness to that playing field when being permitted to compete. But I believe they deserve the opportunity to live their lives without prejudice.

However, what will not happen (and what the whole knickers in a twist brigade seem to think will happen) is men transitioning purely so they can win medals (like s*x offenders transitioning purely so they can have easier access to prey). Would perennial runner up Linford Christie transition so he could win Olympic gold? Of course not. There are very complex reasons that make people want to transition, and a gold medal isn't one of them.

The other issue it opens up is if women with unnaturally high levels of testorterone should be able to compete. If you ask me, of course they should. Take Caster Semenya. She was born with all the woman's bits (as DD would describe it) but she (reportedly) has a male level of testosterone that many people call for her to be banned for because "she isn't a woman". People need to make there minds up. Is someone a woman because of "bits", or a woman because of other biological factors? Or does this brigade just apply whichever rule suits their current, anti anyone who doesn't fit their mould, agenda.

So should they be able to compete. If science proves they don't have an unfair advantage - yes, of course. One for the scientists who actually know what they are talking about. I for one would like to see the science prove there is no real advantage once and for all, and to live in a world where people can be people.

In support of Trans rights Dan we are in complete agreement. I fully support them also. But with respect this is not what this discussion is about (although Mason will distort it so he call call people bigots) Its about the lack of safeguards to protect Women and a dilution of Women's rights. It must also be noted that most trans women remain fully male bodied, capable of rape, and those with a GRC are allowed to move to women’s prisons, including those who are convicted of rape. And vulnerable female inmates have no choice but to deal with it, and be placed in danger. There was an amendment to try and adress such issues but it was voted down by Sturgeon and her cohorts. This particular amendment would have hurt nobody except those who would try and exploit it. And the fact is there are those who WILL try and take advantage serious 5exual predators are known for their cunningness to get into spaces/environments they can exploit. Its exactly the same as *****philes. Now lets be clear this is a very small % but they do exist ..the question is is it a risk worth taking ?

[DondyDan]

In support of Trans rights Dan we are in complete agreement. I fully support them also. But with respect this is not what this discussion is about (although Mason will distort it so he call call people bigots) Its about the lack of safeguards to protect Women and a dilution of Women's rights. It must also be noted that most trans women remain fully male bodied, capable of rape, and those with a GRC are allowed to move to women’s prisons, including those who are convicted of rape. And vulnerable female inmates have no choice but to deal with it, and be placed in danger. There was an amendment to try and adress such issues but it was voted down by Sturgeon and her cohorts. This particular amendment would have hurt nobody except those who would try and exploit it. And the fact is there are those who WILL try and take advantage serious 5exual predators are known for their cunningness to get into spaces/environments they can exploit. Its exactly the same as *****philes. Now lets be clear this is a very small % but they do exist ..the question is is it a risk worth taking ?

I appreciate your point there, but with respect the question was:
"do you have any views on Trans "Women" competing in Woman's sport ? Do you think they have an unfair advantage over biological Women ?"

[Mason89]

In support of Trans rights Dan we are in complete agreement. I fully support them also. But with respect this is not what this discussion is about (although Mason will distort it so he call call people bigots) Its about the lack of safeguards to protect Women and a dilution of Women's rights. It must also be noted that most trans women remain fully male bodied, capable of rape, and those with a GRC are allowed to move to women’s prisons, including those who are convicted of rape. And vulnerable female inmates have no choice but to deal with it, and be placed in danger. There was an amendment to try and adress such issues but it was voted down by Sturgeon and her cohorts. This particular amendment would have hurt nobody except those who would try and exploit it. And the fact is there are those who WILL try and take advantage serious 5exual predators are known for their cunningness to get into spaces/environments they can exploit. Its exactly the same as *****philes. Now lets be clear this is a very small % but they do exist ..the question is is it a risk worth taking ?

All of that is complete horse sh1t & you’re a bigot

[stewarty27]

I appreciate your point there, but with respect the question was:
"do you have any views on Trans "Women" competing in Woman's sport ? Do you think they have an unfair advantage over biological Women ?"

Aye right enough. Again I'm in agreement with you its a very hard issue to police. With the right measures it could work out fine. on the other hand it could destroy Women's sport.

[stewarty27]

All of that is complete horse sh1t & you’re a bigot

Thank you Rev Mason, TBH I don't give a sh1t for your views they are unbalanced un thought through and extremely belligerent the very thing you accuse Campbell of... tho you don't see it you two are very alike.

[Mason89]

Thank you Rev Mason, TBH I don't give a sh1t for your views they are unbalanced un thought through and extremely belligerent the very thing you accuse Campbell of... tho you don't see it you two are very alike.

I haven’t thought it through? You’re the one that doesn’t have the slightest clue what this bill does. Quite funny watching you get yourself all in a tizz dreaming up fantasy nonce scenarios. Weirdo