Well Done MT

[Derbymiller]

I thought his interview was honest, he knows the mess and he is away of the questions being asked, to be fair to radio sheffield they are asking them. let us see who comes in and who goes and does that change the team. We didn't replace Smith in the summer, Eaves was never going to give us what Smith gave us and MT says that the lack of a front man that we can play off and can lead the press is hurting us.

[mygiddypant]

Lee camp
Woody
Kirk Broadfoot
Darnell fisher
Ben purrington
Will vaulkes
Lee frecklington
Joe Newell
Richie Smallwood
Danny ward
Clark Harris
Dom ball
Yates
Semi ajayi..
Carlton morris

Are you telling me the present squad is better than what warne had a available? Plus how many of these were sold to championship clubs.
There are similarities in the two squads. Warne didn't have the fire power just like Taylor doesn't.
I don't buy the we were 8th before warne left argument. What was the actual points difference?. Then take in the injurys,. Illness and barlaser/ogbene going through the motions.

Most of this argument is subjective. Some of the players above were good (or better), but weren't delivering.

You say you don't buy the 8th argument, but that's a fact. What you must recognise is the change to the game plan. The pressing game Warne employed was, by general consent, very successful. I think Taylor should have recognised that and retained it, bringing in his changes when he had the players to do it and when/if our place in the league was secured.

The other thing I think most people recognise is that the outlook/morale has changed significantly. When we were 8th there was a feeling of optimism, that the current window would see further improvement, and that we would push on. The view that relegation was a serious threat was held by a very small minority. I suggest that this would now be a majority view.

[mellowmiller]

One thing no-one seems to have taken into consideration when making these comparisons is that Warne was not an established manager and he didn't want the job whereas Taylor is an established manager and he did want the job.
You would expect experience to count but it doesn't seem to have so far.
I hope MT will be given time but his tenure so far has uncomfortable echoes of the Andy Scott era.

[Brin]

How can you say the team is twice the team that warne got.

Looking at the names mentioned. Are you saying bramhall/Ferguson are better than mattock/purrington.
Are you saying peltier and Harding were better than fisher (can't think of whoelse played RB. Maybe vaulkes)
Are you saying old woody and Humphreys are better than young wood and ajayi.
Are you saying barlaser rathbone and wiles
Were better than vaulkes, frecklington and Smallwood.
Are you saying Kelly, eaves, Washington and ogbene were better than Morris, ward odemwingi and Clark Harris.

Twice the team is a bit of an exaggeration though I could argue Taylor's stats are two e that of warnes

Hands up! You got me there and I dove in too quick, not so sure about Mr Injured and Purrington though, the cast out kid.

Maybe I'm trying to say this side is more than capable of keeping us up bar up front so what's gone wrong, wrong, wrong? It's not just injuries for me.

[caytonmiller]

Most of this argument is subjective. Some of the players above were good (or better), but weren't delivering.

You say you don't buy the 8th argument, but that's a fact. What you must recognise is the change to the game plan. The pressing game Warne employed was, by general consent, very successful. I think Taylor should have recognised that and retained it, bringing in his changes when he had the players to do it and when/if our place in the league was secured.

The other thing I think most people recognise is that the outlook/morale has changed significantly. When we were 8th there was a feeling of optimism, that the current window would see further improvement, and that we would push on. The view that relegation was a serious threat was held by a very small minority. I suggest that this would now be a majority view.

Some of the players in Taylor's squad are good but not delivering so we can't use that one against Taylor or as defence for warne
The 8th position was a fact but as my above post has shown 1 loss and we could have dropped from 8th to 20th. Just saying warne left us in 8th is not a very clear fact. Warne actually left us 4 points outside the relegation zone in 8th.

I don't disagree that moral has changed and people were pointing the same finger at warne last season when we went on a poor run and the covid season when we got promotion when their was a chance we may not have with a full season

[caytonmiller]

One thing no-one seems to have taken into consideration when making these comparisons is that Warne was not an established manager and he didn't want the job whereas Taylor is an established manager and he did want the job.
You would expect experience to count but it doesn't seem to have so far.
I hope MT will be given time but his tenure so far has uncomfortable echoes of the Andy Scott era.

Perfectly true but warne knew the players he was inheriting. Mt doesn't.
Warne had his own style and so does MT.
The players hear for whatever reason are not playing the Taylor way And it's Taylor's fault trying to make them play that way. Well how would he know if they can or can't play his style without trying.. the man needs time and I won't be judging him till may. If TS wants to pull the trigger before then imo would be a mistake.

We had a manager in warne who by his own admission was a fraud manager. But with the tools TS gave him made imo a successful Rotherham manager.
The same was true of evans. He had time and backing and became a successful Rotherham manager.
Give MT the time and there's a big chance he will be a successful Rotherham manager

[caytonmiller]

Hands up! You got me there and I dove in too quick, not so sure about Mr Injured and Purrington though, the cast out kid.

Maybe I'm trying to say this side is more than capable of keeping us up bar up front so what's gone wrong, wrong, wrong? It's not just injuries for me.

Agree m8. This team imo is more than capable though whatever has gone wrong only the manager can fix. 3 players yesterday were not even on the pitch mentally. barlaser, ogbene and oddefin. I wouldn't be surprised if oddefin doesn't also leave this window

[Yak]

Anyone who thinks Warne would have kept us in mid table should really seek help.
In one breath Warne struggled because of the budget but Taylor is struggling because of moral and poor tactics.
There were plenty of good performances under Warne and some horrendous ones too.
This we were 8th is like saying if Bournemouth won first 3 games In premier league and we’re top the manager leaves and the next one gets criticised because when he took over they were top.
It’s just dumb to use that as an excuse.


Warne was a good personality who put his heart and soul into the job.
He deserved patience and got it some would argue too much at times.
If grown men are upset because they aren’t getting mummy cuddled anymore maybe it’s best for the club if they just do one.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Anyone who thinks Warne would have kept us in mid table should really seek help.
In one breath Warne struggled because of the budget but Taylor is struggling because of moral and poor tactics.
There were plenty of good performances under Warne and some horrendous ones too.
This we were 8th is like saying if Bournemouth won first 3 games In premier league and we’re top the manager leaves and the next one gets criticised because when he took over they were top.
It’s just dumb to use that as an excuse.


Warne was a good personality who put his heart and soul into the job.
He deserved patience and got it some would argue too much at times.
If grown men are upset because they aren’t getting mummy cuddled anymore maybe it’s best for the club if they just do one.

Not only did we lose a manager we also lost a social worker.

[Brin]

Agree m8. This team imo is more than capable though whatever has gone wrong only the manager can fix. 3 players yesterday were not even on the pitch mentally. barlaser, ogbene and oddefin. I wouldn't be surprised if oddefin doesn't also leave this window

Fingers crossed Odoffin does leave, he's awful, brings us nothing at all. Whatever did Warne see in him?