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Thread: Throw ins

  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwacka View Post
    The coaching ethos would appear to be to keep the ball as much as possible. You can’t concede if you have the ball. It would seem this extends to throw-ins and corners, which is why we don’t launch either. Stats will tell you that, across the professional game, less than 2-3% of corners lead to a direct goal.

    I’d imagine the stats will also tell the coaches that launching throw-ins and corners leads to the ball being turned over and counter-attacks in the NL far more than it does goal chances.

    If you’re a team full of big bruisers then that may well be your best option for getting chances, but if you’re not (like us) then it’s probably better to keep hold of the ball and be patient.

    Trust the process; fair enough to question Williams’ selection choices (and he's still learning in this league), but I think fans are wasting their time looking at the minutiae of things like throw-ins.
    I do trust the process however the rigidity of when and who takes throw ins restricts us so much when a quick one is on and we miss the chance of keeping possession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bushwacka View Post
    The coaching ethos would appear to be to keep the ball as much as possible. You can’t concede if you have the ball. It would seem this extends to throw-ins and corners, which is why we don’t launch either. Stats will tell you that, across the professional game, less than 2-3% of corners lead to a direct goal.

    I’d imagine the stats will also tell the coaches that launching throw-ins and corners leads to the ball being turned over and counter-attacks in the NL far more than it does goal chances.

    If you’re a team full of big bruisers then that may well be your best option for getting chances, but if you’re not (like us) then it’s probably better to keep hold of the ball and be patient.

    Trust the process; fair enough to question Williams’ selection choices (and he's still learning in this league), but I think fans are wasting their time looking at the minutiae of things like throw-ins.
    Can’t agree. You should want to improve all areas. It’s very small margins. Especially when things are getting worse not better. That is true of both corners and throw ins.

    Whilst the percentage of goals scored is low. Our short corners have been that bad that we’ve been conceding from them (eg Oldham) so the idea that recycling from a corner (when it’s your only strategy) gets found out.

    We need to mix up both our corners and our throw ins. Or we may as well give them to the opposition. Our throw ins simply need to be quicker.

    The method of retaining possession is less effective if everyone knows where you are going to play the ball……

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    Well done to B Wood for the close marking, and of course Aaron should have been quicker - but the main reason was the terrible effort his team mates made in showing for the ball. It was a bit embarrassing. LW shouldn't have to coach effort

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_anticlough View Post
    Well done to B Wood for the close marking, and of course Aaron should have been quicker - but the main reason was the terrible effort his team mates made in showing for the ball. It was a bit embarrassing. LW shouldn't have to coach effort
    I think that just demonstrated our lack of intensity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Don_ORiordan View Post
    Our short corners have been that bad that we’ve been conceding from them (eg Oldham) so the idea that recycling from a corner (when it’s your only strategy) gets found out.

    We need to mix up both our corners and our throw ins. Or we may as well give them to the opposition.
    Yes, looks like we miss that set-piece coach.
    Corners seem to be into the goalkeeper's hands or short. The short corners seem to be without any scheme and it's just boxing yourself in against 2 defenders in that case. This needs some imagination...the classic Liverpool teams of the late 70s and early 80s played a lot of medium corners - 20 yard passes to runners in or into the penalty area or around the edge. Dalglish was in his element and the main thing was that they were unpredictable. Of course we can't reach that but we have to try something different to what we're doing now.

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    The main problem with the throw ins was Nemane who seemed to have a problem taking them.
    As said on a previous post he was too slow but seemed to have a problem releasing the ball(almost like a car driver not able to overtake a lorry on a narrow dual carriageway) at least a couple of times he had an opportunity to throw it to Langstaff’s feet further down the line.
    When I was playing we were told if nothing else was on to throw it down the line and gain some yards.
    Also I think that Nemane’s throw ins probably cost us 3 or 4 minutes which I wouldn’t think the ref added on at the end.
    I thought Nemane had a decent game and is our biggest creator at present but he seems to have confidence issues

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    what about the farce with the goal kicks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uysapie View Post
    what about the farce with the goal kicks?
    Oh no! What happened with the goal kicks the other night? They repeatedly worked well at Aldershot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laddo View Post
    Oh no! What happened with the goal kicks the other night? They repeatedly worked well at Aldershot.
    On a brighter note, i am a member of Lifeline, and received a cheque yesterdayfor £100 from Notts County

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    Quote Originally Posted by uysapie View Post
    what about the farce with the goal kicks?
    I'm not sure what the idea is with goal kicks, as every oppo knows now what we're doing and each one ends up with Slocombe launching it anyway.

    I'm assuming that they've worked out he can get better direction/distance on a moving ball than a stationary one, but he's no Ederson, unfortunately.

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