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Thread: S****horpe winding up order

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    Hmmm Property and Land developer?… interesting

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    Let’s hope that Scun.thorpes future can be secured. It’s not nice to see any club in such a perilous position. The FA really do need to improve and do better in terms of providing a cushion and barrier to protect clubs and their supporters from such circumstances. Independent and yearly account audits and proof of funding for each coming season would help. I’m not sure that points deductions is the right answer. It only adds insult to injury for supporters and the club. Whilst some many argue if a club has gained an advantage over other clubs who may have not run up debts then it’s a fair punishment I feel more direct levels of punishment for custodians themselves who take clubs to the brink would be more appropriate. A custodian has a big responsibility and duty to the community to protect a club its history and the game first and foremost. They are only the guardian and their first aim should always be to strive to make the club better than it was before they took over ready for when they pass it onto the next person.

    We know all too well what it’s like. It’s yet another example of what could quite easily have happened to Notts had the Reedz brothers not stepped in and brought us. Like with Macclesfield and Bury we must always remember and be thankful for that. Likewise we must also celebrate and enjoy the improvement and progress made in the last few years under their stewardship. We will get back to the football league at some point and when we do we will be a better and stronger club than the one that left it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAD_MAGPIE View Post
    Let’s hope that Scun.thorpes future can be secured. It’s not nice to see any club in such a perilous position. The FA really do need to improve and do better in terms of providing a cushion and barrier to protect clubs and their supporters from such circumstances. Independent and yearly account audits and proof of funding for each coming season would help. I’m not sure that points deductions is the right answer. It only adds insult to injury for supporters and the club. Whilst some many argue if a club has gained an advantage over other clubs who may have not run up debts then it’s a fair punishment I feel more direct levels of punishment for custodians themselves who take clubs to the brink would be more appropriate. A custodian has a big responsibility and duty to the community to protect a club its history and the game first and foremost. They are only the guardian and their first aim should always be to strive to make the club better than it was before they took over ready for when they pass it onto the next person.

    We know all too well what it’s like. It’s yet another example of what could quite easily have happened to Notts had the Reedz brothers not stepped in and brought us. Like with Macclesfield and Bury we must always remember and be thankful for that. Likewise we must also celebrate and enjoy the improvement and progress made in the last few years under their stewardship. We will get back to the football league at some point and when we do we will be a better and stronger club than the one that left it.
    I think the points deduction has to be appropriate simply to avoid the few cases of opportunism, whilst I do agree it is generally pretty worthless.

    What does need to happen is that owners (and for that matter senior managers) who take clubs into administration need banning from ownership for a very long time. That should probably include a “financial health check” at changes of ownership.

    There should be some allowance for “new” owners, and rules to protect those trying to “sort out” problem clubs. But this should not be difficult. And even previous owners who have left the club in a dire financial state should be considered for banning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Don_ORiordan View Post
    I think the points deduction has to be appropriate simply to avoid the few cases of opportunism, whilst I do agree it is generally pretty worthless.

    What does need to happen is that owners (and for that matter senior managers) who take clubs into administration need banning from ownership for a very long time. That should probably include a “financial health check” at changes of ownership.

    There should be some allowance for “new” owners, and rules to protect those trying to “sort out” problem clubs. But this should not be difficult. And even previous owners who have left the club in a dire financial state should be considered for banning.
    The fact that Hardy through his own ineptitude had left Notts on the brink and if we had not been sold to the Danes could have gone to the wall, yet here he is a few years later trying to buy another football club is plain wrong. And he's making all the same mistakes again commenting on twitter to massage his massive ego. I am very happy for Scunny that he got nowhere near them in the end and I wish him a lifetime of misfortune! He is so self obsessed that he can't even see what he is doing - again! There needs to be rules for former owners who leave clubs in distress like you say and allowances for those that take over. Personally I don't agree with points deductions I think the penalties should fit the crime and when a club is purchased there is a chattel over some of the owners assets, so that the EFL National League whatever can be second in line to the Tax Office if there is admin situation to get some $ that can be put back into the club from the administrators if it comes to that. There should also be limits as far as the law will allow to avoid Southend type situations where the land is worth a bomb and all the owner wants to do is move the club and sell / develop the land. It's happened to us a few times over the years even if its council land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenslandpie View Post
    The fact that Hardy through his own ineptitude had left Notts on the brink and if we had not been sold to the Danes could have gone to the wall, yet here he is a few years later trying to buy another football club is plain wrong. And he's making all the same mistakes again commenting on twitter to massage his massive ego. I am very happy for Scunny that he got nowhere near them in the end and I wish him a lifetime of misfortune! He is so self obsessed that he can't even see what he is doing - again! There needs to be rules for former owners who leave clubs in distress like you say and allowances for those that take over. Personally I don't agree with points deductions I think the penalties should fit the crime and when a club is purchased there is a chattel over some of the owners assets, so that the EFL National League whatever can be second in line to the Tax Office if there is admin situation to get some $ that can be put back into the club from the administrators if it comes to that. There should also be limits as far as the law will allow to avoid Southend type situations where the land is worth a bomb and all the owner wants to do is move the club and sell / develop the land. It's happened to us a few times over the years even if its council land.
    There are provisions that are never enacted. Go after the personal assets; unfit directors - disqualify. Too many can hide behind Limited (Liability) Companies - Ltd. See https://www.companyrescue.co.uk/guid...xplained-3737/ and "unfit conduct" - surely we've had owners that meet that criterion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenslandpie View Post
    I am very happy for Scunny that he got nowhere near them in the end and I wish him a lifetime of misfortune! .
    If it all goes south for Mansfield Town, I could see Hardy ending up on the board there.
    What happened to the team he grew up watching, Eastwood Town? Incredibly they were only level below where we are now as recently as 2012 and we would have played them in the FA Cup in 2009 had we not lost a replay to Kettering. Surprised he's not tried to buy them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upthemaggies View Post
    If it all goes south for Mansfield Town, I could see Hardy ending up on the board there.
    What happened to the team he grew up watching, Eastwood Town? Incredibly they were only level below where we are now as recently as 2012 and we would have played them in the FA Cup in 2009 had we not lost a replay to Kettering. Surprised he's not tried to buy them.
    Tis no more:

    Eastwood Town were established in 1955. During the 1970s, the club competed in the Midland League. In 1983, Eastwood were founder members of the Northern Counties East Football League. In 1987, they joined the Northern Premier League but returned to the NCEL for the 2003–04 season.[1]

    In the 2008/09 season, Eastwood Town had a successful run in the FA Cup, defeating Wrexham and Wycombe Wanderers on their way to the third round of the competition. Eastwood finished as league champions and were promoted to the Conference North for the first time in their history.

    Eastwood Town finished in 4th place for their first season in the Conference North, but were denied permission to take part in the playoffs due to insufficient ground grading. As a result, the club was put up for sale by its owners.

    In November 2013, the club was issued with a winding up petition over an unpaid tax bill of £168,000 and council officials barred the club from using the Coronation Park ground.[2]

    After postponing five consecutive home games, the club resigned from the Northern Premier League in February 2014.[3]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastwood_Town_F.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countygump View Post
    Tis no more:

    Eastwood Town were established in 1955. During the 1970s, the club competed in the Midland League. In 1983, Eastwood were founder members of the Northern Counties East Football League. In 1987, they joined the Northern Premier League but returned to the NCEL for the 2003–04 season.[1]

    In the 2008/09 season, Eastwood Town had a successful run in the FA Cup, defeating Wrexham and Wycombe Wanderers on their way to the third round of the competition. Eastwood finished as league champions and were promoted to the Conference North for the first time in their history.

    Eastwood Town finished in 4th place for their first season in the Conference North, but were denied permission to take part in the playoffs due to insufficient ground grading. As a result, the club was put up for sale by its owners.

    In November 2013, the club was issued with a winding up petition over an unpaid tax bill of £168,000 and council officials barred the club from using the Coronation Park ground.[2]

    After postponing five consecutive home games, the club resigned from the Northern Premier League in February 2014.[3]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastwood_Town_F.C.

    There is a new club, Eastwood CFC playing in tier 9 currently. Same ground, different colours though, they've changed from black & white stripes to red shirts with black shorts and are now known as the "Red Badgers"

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    Quote Originally Posted by upthemaggies View Post
    There is a new club, Eastwood CFC playing in tier 9 currently. Same ground, different colours though, they've changed from black & white stripes to red shirts with black shorts and are now known as the "Red Badgers"
    If Alan Hardy buys them, they can be known as the “Cock Badgers”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countygump View Post
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    In the 2008/09 season, Eastwood Town had a successful run in the FA Cup, defeating Wrexham and Wycombe Wanderers on their way to the third round of the competition. Eastwood finished as league champions and were promoted to the Conference North for the first time in their history.

    Eastwood Town finished in 4th place for their first season in the Conference North, but were denied permission to take part in the playoffs due to insufficient ground grading. As a result, the club was put up for sale by its owners.
    They were owned/bankrolled at that time by the fella who owns the Dusk Til Dawn poker place out next to Showcase. Brought in ex-Notts player Paul Cox as manager.

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