OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[ramAnag]

Ok then, the difference is that I'm a marginal remainer who recognised the validity of the referendum and acts accordingly. You are a militant remainer who sits in the corner of the pub banging on about it nearly 7 years later to zero effect.

Lol...bit harsh...tbh I never ‘bang on about it’ in the pub, although if it crops up - and it rarely, if ever, does - I’ll tell it as I see it.

Nothing remotely ‘militant’ about my stance either. Consistent? Yes. Intelligent? I hope so. Confrontational and aggressive? Never.

As for yours, ‘a marginal Remainer who recognised the validity of the referendum’? Or Mr. Undecided?

[SithHappens]

Surely continued discussion on here, in the pub, or anywhere should not be considered 'banging on' until such time its been recognised that either

A. Its always going to be a **** show, or
B. Its proven leaving was actually the better choice

As those who voted leave and claiming that it will take years, if not decades, for any benefit to be seen then it would seem this thread should remain open for a long time yet.

The fact it remains open means it invites discussion, if Andy doesnt want it discussed the lock the thread and ban future discussion.

[ramAnag]

Surely continued discussion on here, in the pub, or anywhere should not be considered 'banging on' until such time its been recognised that either

A. Its always going to be a **** show, or
B. Its proven leaving was actually the better choice

As those who voted leave and claiming that it will take years, if not decades, for any benefit to be seen then it would seem this thread should remain open for a long time yet.

The fact it remains open means it invites discussion, if Andy doesnt want it discussed the lock the thread and ban future discussion.

With respect Sith...you’re in danger of (re) opening a can of worms there. I agree with most of what you’ve said...but it’s not up to Andy.

His role is that of moderator and it doesn’t matter whether he ‘wants’ it discussed or not. He is there to ensure that what few rules we have are observed, NOT to start ‘locking threads’ and dictate what should be discussed. That is something decided by the interest generated in individual threads alone.

[MadAmster]

Do the Tories understand irony?

Sunak praising his new agreement with the EU on NI, because NI will be the only place in the world that is both outside and inside the single market which will give it a unique economic opportunity!!

I mean who knew that having access to the single market was economically advantageous to the UK???

IE - he believes they were right to take us out of exactly what he believes is right to put Northern Ireland into now... Kin Jackass!!

[swaledale]

Yes, a soft Norwegian solution would have been by far the best way to achieve the goal, but it's my understanding that this wasn't available due to the pig headedness of both parties to the negotiation and so we got what we got which has exaggerated the difficulties

It wasn't achieved because Johnson and Frost thought the best way of negotiating with the EU was bluster and threat, promise and sign anything with the certain knowledge they didn't intend to keep their word and actually planned and drew up legislation to break an international treaty!!

In part this was because they were playing to the **** the EU head bangers in the Tory party, but don't forget that prior to the referendum, both Frost and Johnson were actually supporting remain! They changed sides purely because they thought it would suit their personal ambitions, not because they believed Brexit would deliver for the UK, neither of them care about the UK!! So in a way playing hard ball whilst negotiating a ****ty unworkable deal was a game for them.

For all Sunak was complicit in this, he signed off on the original deal and supported it, he has at least shown that if one holds adult, sensible negotiations with the EU, they will negotiate. They didn't trust Johnson and lets face it who would, he has been proven to be a mendacious, lying, narcissistic, untrustworthy rogue long before Brexit!

It was the hard right on the Tory party who scuppered May's soft deal. It was obviously in the interests of the Eu to have an amicable split, but why would you put up with the immature posturing and insults from the UK?

Even with the deal on Ni thats been agreed, Johnson and the ERG were threatening to oppose it and rebel, but its clear that most realise that further turmoil within the Tory party is not going to enhance their already poor reputation with the voters. Johnson might just be a busted flush, which would be good news for the country, even though there are some incredibly thick Tory party members and MP's who would shive their respective tongues as far up his arse as they could manage given half a chance.

Whoever wins the next election, has the task of making a piss poor deal workable, whilst not upsetting the proles who believe Brexit will enhance their ****ty little lives.

[swaledale]

Lol...bit harsh...tbh I never ‘bang on about it’ in the pub, although if it crops up - and it rarely, if ever, does - I’ll tell it as I see it.

Nothing remotely ‘militant’ about my stance either. Consistent? Yes. Intelligent? I hope so. Confrontational and aggressive? Never.

As for yours, ‘a marginal Remainer who recognised the validity of the referendum’? Or Mr. Undecided?

rA its hard to understand if GP is that "not bothered" about Brexit, why he even views this thread? If I was unconcerned, I'd ignore it completely!

AS for recognising the "validity" of the referendum, mm alleged Russian funding of organisations campaigning for leave, definite hacking and interference by Russian a state actors in the campaign. Proven misinformation (the £350 million on the bus being just 1 example) and lies used in the campaign by leave (Turkey joining the EU another), a non legally binding referendum and no minimum % imposed for a valid vote.

Even if one overlooks all those irregularities, then the imposing of a hard Brexit on the narrow majority was definitely not valid.

[SithHappens]

With respect Sith...you’re in danger of (re) opening a can of worms there. I agree with most of what you’ve said...but it’s not up to Andy.

His role is that of moderator and it doesn’t matter whether he ‘wants’ it discussed or not. He is there to ensure that what few rules we have are observed, NOT to start ‘locking threads’ and dictate what should be discussed. That is something decided by the interest generated in individual threads alone.

Ok fair enough, im new here but generally my experience on other forums is that moderators do have the authority to lock/delete a thread if they feel its no longer valid to the forum. Im not arguing for this by the way, if im honest i dont really know if there are any rules beyond a swear filter here.

[Trickytreesreds]

Hmmm...not sure about that, but when it comes to any EU ‘gravy train’ your ‘darling’ Farage perversely takes some beating.

Really? You mean the man who campaigned to get himself the sack?
You have to do better there RA. Also voters put him there to campaign on their behalf, the other 4 certainly were not.

[Trickytreesreds]

Discussion and dislike for something are one thing. But remainers have a common denominator in that anything that causes grief in the country is all down to Brexit.
Most of it is a load of bull. Yes there are problems in supply of some things. Again, years and year of EU paperwork isn't going to unravel overnight.
The current favourite crying is tomatos boo hoo.

The goverment blames the weather, the remainers scream nooooooooooooooooooo.
Well unfortunately there is/was a weather problem.
Europe hasn't seen so many empty shelves granted.
What they don't tell you is, that the prices have rocketed in Europe and even the europeans are n't buying so much.
Add in the fact that the Dutch didn't bother planting them and the shortage is real.
https://nltimes.nl/2023/02/22/avocad...ly-due-weather

Yes I will accept that the Brexit lorry protocols then hindered delivery. But from what I've read, many suppliers wouldn't accept the rising costs and the veg went to those prepared to pay the full whack.

But propaganda only half told, fuels your cause if applied correctly.

[Geoff Parkstone]

rA its hard to understand if GP is that "not bothered" about Brexit, why he even views this thread? If I was unconcerned, I'd ignore it completely!

AS for recognising the "validity" of the referendum, mm alleged Russian funding of organisations campaigning for leave, definite hacking and interference by Russian a state actors in the campaign. Proven misinformation (the £350 million on the bus being just 1 example) and lies used in the campaign by leave (Turkey joining the EU another), a non legally binding referendum and no minimum % imposed for a valid vote.

Even if one overlooks all those irregularities, then the imposing of a hard Brexit on the narrow majority was definitely not valid.

I'm like you and TTR, Swale - sometimes I cant keep away even though a lot of BS is posted!!