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[TheDeeDon]

The cracks have been there for years Ms Sturgeon was handed a fantastic platform to build on progressive policies and further the case for Independence. SNP membership up to 125'000 support for Indy up from 27% to 45% and most importantly the momentum ! The party knew what it had to do they needed to win over every part and section of Scotland. Simple and very achievable. But what did she do ? She decides the most important thing to do was push through gender recognition reforms at Holyrood. And part of that was a very clumsy attempted fit up of Alex Salmond. That was a defining point in the split of the Independ3nce movement. A movement in which the SNP are only a bit part. We then had the gerrymandering of the NEC where good members were replaced with the highly militant Wokerati. Re the fit up of Salmond if Joe public knew who the "Alphabet" Women were it would all become very obvious what and why this fit up happened .. To cap it all there is now a serious polis investigation going on Re the missing £600.000. Disillusioned doesn't start to cover it for me Its a sh1te state of affairs Tommy.

If you want independence that badly you really wouldn't give a shyte about the gender bill.

Anyone who stands behind the likes of Murdo Fraser on a policy are possibly not quite as ready for independence as they think they are.

[stewarty27]

If you want independence that badly you really wouldn't give a shyte about the gender bill.

Anyone who stands behind the likes of Murdo Fraser on a policy are possibly not quite as ready for independence as they think they are.

Two issues here. The whole point is the time and priority given to the totally unworkable GRR bill. At the same time as absolutely no efforts were/are being made to further Independence. The second don't insult me by saying I stand behind Murdo Fraser that's an incredibly daft thing to say.

[Red Zone]

If you want independence that badly you really wouldn't give a shyte about the gender bill.

Anyone who stands behind the likes of Murdo Fraser on a policy are possibly not quite as ready for independence as they think they are.

I've said it before and will say it again, the Scottish electorate is split into three camps.

The first is hardcore independence supporters and will vote YES/SNP/Alba no matter what they say, what they do or who the leader is (and won't give a shyte about the gender bill as you say). Probably about 40% of the electorate.

The second is hardcore unionists and will vote NO/Tory/Labour/LibDem no matter what they say, what they do or who the leader is (and won't really give a shyte about the gender bill but will use it to batter the SNP Government over the head with). Probably about 40% of the electorate

The third and fundamentally the most important camp is those that could be persuaded either way and almost by definition isn't that bothered about independence one way or another. They probably aren't that bothered about the gender bill as their concerns are around paying their bills, getting a doctor's/hospital appointment (for them or elderly parents), their kids' schooling etc etc.

The problem since 2014 is that the SNP has pretty much only focused on the first camp, the unionist parties have pretty much only focused on the second camp and the third camp is largely ignored.

The next SNP leader if they have any sense will spend their entire time and efforts on things that matter to the third camp if they want any realistic chance of independence any time soon and should take the first camp for granted as who else will they vote for i.e. don't pander to that first camp by focusing huge time and effort on things like GRA.

Happy to be shot at for these views but that's what would seem sensible to me.

[TheDeeDon]

I've said it before and will say it again, the Scottish electorate is split into three camps.

The first is hardcore independence supporters and will vote YES/SNP/Alba no matter what they say, what they do or who the leader is (and won't give a shyte about the gender bill as you say). Probably about 40% of the electorate.

The second is hardcore unionists and will vote NO/Tory/Labour/LibDem no matter what they say, what they do or who the leader is (and won't really give a shyte about the gender bill but will use it to batter the SNP Government over the head with). Probably about 40% of the electorate

The third and fundamentally the most important camp is those that could be persuaded either way and almost by definition isn't that bothered about independence one way or another. They probably aren't that bothered about the gender bill as their concerns are around paying their bills, getting a doctor's/hospital appointment (for them or elderly parents), their kids' schooling etc etc.

The problem since 2014 is that the SNP has pretty much only focused on the first camp, the unionist parties have pretty much only focused on the second camp and the third camp is largely ignored.

The next SNP leader if they have any sense will spend their entire time and efforts on things that matter to the third camp if they want any realistic chance of independence any time soon and should take the first camp for granted as who else will they vote for i.e. don't pander to that first camp by focusing huge time and effort on things like GRA.

Happy to be shot at for these views but that's what would seem sensible to me.

As good a post as any.

I'm in the independence at any cost camp.

Once we get out of the Union only then can we determine the type of country we want.