Sturgeonland

[InversneckieDob]

That isn’t recent. Devolution saved them from almost total oblivion. In 1992, Salmond floated his “Free by ‘93” schtick, and after a baker’s dozen of years under the yoke, I voted non-tactically for The Party. The result was that the sitting Liberal MP’s majority shrank to 274 (-12%) from 1987’s 9500, nearly handing it to John Porter, the (albeit almost pleasant) Tory. In 2019, my hand forced by the EU farce, I had to vote tactically for The Party, and some now-invisible nationalist placeman won it, and threw his hand in with The Continuity Candidate recently.

2017 was much easier. A proper mannies’ mildly social democratic manifesto was on offer, and I walked out of the polling station with my head held high for the first time since 1992. I noted later on that night/next morning that the so-called Caledonian comrades lost their bearings in not voting for anti-free-marketeers’ left-of-centre offer, calling somewhat into account the notion that Mr, Mrs, Ms, Mz and other salutationary designations of Joe/Josephine MacPublic are as collectively-minded as they claim when given the opportunity.

You’ve a generation of entitled but loyal dross to clear from the benches, the committees, the machine, the ‘middle management’ (as my exploited nationalist pal called them), and the cosy new Scottish political establishment before there exists an organisation serious about its stated aim, with the accountable urge to deliver for those who it currently takes for granted by making their lives better. The old guard had some skilful, powerful operators, but they have retired and/or been marginalised and not replaced as admirable radicalism has given way to pragmatic “progressivism”. Stuff it.

I suppose if you were to reduce my thinking to a soundbite (as seems to be the mainstream way) it'd run thus -

UK politics = fu cked
Scottish politics = fu cked but fixable.

[Donanddusted]

I suppose if you were to reduce my thinking to a soundbite (as seems to be the mainstream way) it'd run thus -

UK politics = fu cked
Scottish politics = fu cked but fixable.

If not, we have no one to blame but ourselves.



Shetland Don, I get you hate SNP and Sturgeon but what is it that you think that being in the UK gives Scotland?

[claw84]

If not, we have no one to blame but ourselves.



Shetland Don, I get you hate SNP and Sturgeon but what is it that you think that being in the UK gives Scotland?

Where do we start, money for furlough during covid, money for struggling Companies during covid, money for gas, leccy shipbuilding contracts, the list goes on but believe most important is the thousands of Scots in the UK Armed Forces which help to defend these islands of ours. just think about it.

[Donanddusted]

Where do we start, money for furlough during covid, money for struggling Companies during covid, money for gas, leccy shipbuilding contracts, the list goes on but believe most important is the thousands of Scots in the UK Armed Forces which help to defend these islands of ours. just think about it.

Thanking youse kind sirs.
Please may we have some more, beggin' yer pardon, if that's alright?

[Mason89]

Where do we start, money for furlough during covid, money for struggling Companies during covid, money for gas, leccy shipbuilding contracts, the list goes on but believe most important is the thousands of Scots in the UK Armed Forces which help to defend these islands of ours. just think about it.

Thought about it. Couldn’t give one shiny sh1t

[donsdaft]

On second thoughts, I might miss spending zillions on pretending we’re world leaders.

[Shetland Don]

Thought about it. Couldn’t give one shiny sh1t

Great debater, clearly.

Answer his many, some would say valid, points with remarks more erudite than “shiny ****” and “melt”, whatever these mean.

There’s also a potentially valid argument to say that Scotland takes a lot more out that it puts in.

[donsdaft]

Which is why we need Kate in charge.

She’d ask the second question.

1/ what do we want?

2/ how do we pay for it?

[Red Zone]

Which is why we need Kate in charge.

She’d ask the second question.

1/ what do we want?

2/ how do we pay for it?

Completely agree

[Donanddusted]

There’s also a potentially valid argument to say that Scotland takes a lot more out that it puts in.

There's an equally valid argument that says that those wanting Scotland to remain in the UK would say that.

Tell me, when unionists talk about all the dodgy accounting by the SNP over ferries and party funding, how exactly do they feel about ppe and Michelle Mone's companies or unelected peers as ministers?