Meslier

[ozleeds]

"Not so young any more"......?

Have a look here;

https://www.football365.com/news/opi...nderson-bazanu

The most pertinent comment is this.....

"Only two teams – Wolves and Arsenal – changed their goalkeepers last summer, and only a further two – Chelsea and Aston Villa – did a year earlier.

And the ages of those four new goalkeepers? 29, 30, 25 and 20. It’s a quiet revolution"

So only four replacements, and the YOUNGEST was 29.

Meslier was instrumental in us getting promoted, and he has been our No.1 choice GK since the clown got banned. Still the youngest PL gk to achieve 100 appearances for their club.

Is he perfect? No. Would he be better if the club had invested in a back line that justified the description of "defence", you betcha.

He is 23, still the youngest PL gk by some margin, the last line of defence in a team that has shipped more goals than any other PL team this season, and yet he gest comments like "very very overrated" from you and "he's a bit sh1te" from that master of player assessment, BB.

Perhaps we should get Casilla back.

Who knows may have saved a couple lol All I'm saying is overrated and if you believe the myth of what age they should be may as well not have youth teams. At this rate, Archie might play when he turns 50.
People on here were saying his worth 30 to 50 mil

[ozleeds]

I think he is excellent but is going though a torrid time and has played in a typically average/poor and constantly changing back 4.

The lack of depth due to injuries in the middle of the park puts the back 4 under more pressure too.

The lack of reliable goals generally up front must also put more pressure on the team too.

All of the weaknesses we speak of have been there for a while but starting to come home to roost.

The last 12 months hasn’t seem younger players progress probably because all the coaches left with Bielsa and Marsch seemed good at talking bollox and bigging himself up but the coaching and tactics side - not so much.

Been said so many times but look at the Brightons, Brentfords, Fulhams etc with a good coach and youth development set up.

Bielsa opened the door to progressing and the club weren’t smart enough to properly walk through (maybe they were too obsessed with other things to realise it was open)

Mb was brought to develop Youth! Instead, he never did and apart from injuries would have played the same team over and over which in the end was his and our downfall. As for goals we do score just look at other teams around us eg forest they have like 28. Midfield is where our problems lay as I have explained before and our defense even though isn't they best can't cope with the amount coming there way.

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

Mb was brought to develop Youth! Instead, he never did and apart from injuries would have played the same team over and over which in the end was his and our downfall. As for goals we do score just look at other teams around us eg forest they have like 28. Midfield is where our problems lay as I have explained before and our defense even though isn't they best can't cope with the amount coming there way.

He was brought in to get us up which he did

He also I think holds the record for playing more players u21 in a prem season than any other manager.

He wasn’t supported properly in the transfer market but he brought/developed

Struijk
Geldhardt
Hjelde
Roberts
Shackleton
Cresswell
Meslier
Drameh

They all got better under his reign they have stagnated since - go figure

[ozleeds]

He was brought in to get us up which he did

He also I think holds the record for playing more players u21 in a prem season than any other manager.

He wasn’t supported properly in the transfer market but he brought/developed

Struijk
Geldhardt
Hjelde
Roberts
Shackleton
Cresswell
Meslier
Drameh

They all got better under his reign they have stagnated since - go figure

Yes, but injuries played a big part in him playing them, and when shyte players were back, they were dropped apart from meslier.
How many games did they play? Hjelde and Creswell 2? Roberts was his fav if not injured would have played every game. Sheck played when others were injured. drameh what 1 or 2 games? Pat played a few but again due to injuries and dropped when others were fit. Joe much the same played a few more than some others but mostly as a sub. So in reality wasn't much of a development was it?
On Meslier I think he has played 101 games and let in 195 goals. That's nearly 2 goals a game
Anyway, we are where we at looking forward to a different team next season might get some excitement going.

[Ozwhites]

Great at reflex saves, but struggles with high balls into the zone. Nothing has really changed since day one to be honest. Simply has to improve the latter.

[WTF11]

Who knows may have saved a couple lol All I'm saying is overrated and if you believe the myth of what age they should be may as well not have youth teams. At this rate, Archie might play when he turns 50.
People on here were saying his worth 30 to 50 mil

Nothing to do with any "myth", just that he's 23 and for whatever reason, maybe just a desire to blame someone, he is getting the same stick that Harrison, Bamford, Struijk, Ayling etc have been getting, whereas it's just dawning on most that the sh1te we recruited in the summer/winter transfer windows are what is at fault, plus a f00king idiot as DoF and and equally idiotic coach recruited simply because the 49-ers thought it would be a good idea to get a w4nk, sorry, yank, as coach.

(and on his value? I for one have never estimated his transfer value, only his value to the club, which if he was playing with an effective back four would be inestimable).

Blame should go where it is deserved, look at the executive suites.

[WTF11]

Mb was brought to develop Youth! Instead, he never did and apart from injuries would have played the same team over and over which in the end was his and our downfall. As for goals we do score just look at other teams around us eg forest they have like 28. Midfield is where our problems lay as I have explained before and our defense even though isn't they best can't cope with the amount coming there way.

As HO points out, that's just plain wrong, Bielsa was brought in to make it more rather than less likely that we would get promotion, and you're right in you later post that he played youth only when forced by injury/suspension to do so. But he got us up, and had he been supported as he should have been, primarily by the person who is continually (and mistakenly) given credit for bringing him to the club, who knows where we might be right now.

[ozleeds]

He was brought in to get us up which he did

He also I think holds the record for playing more players u21 in a prem season than any other manager.

He wasn’t supported properly in the transfer market but he brought/developed

Struijk
Geldhardt
Hjelde
Roberts
Shackleton
Cresswell
Meslier
Drameh

They all got better under his reign they have stagnated since - go figure

He was brought in to sit on bench and maybe for the future ten years later. You forget the Casila situation and how he got game time?

[hopelesslyoptimistic]

He was brought in to sit on bench and maybe for the future ten years later. You forget the Casila situation and how he got game time?

He took his chance though and to such effect Bielsa then stood by him

[ozleeds]

He took his chance though and to such effect Bielsa then stood by him

Yes but was he going to get a look in under him? Or others for that matter. He had his favs and that was it f me Roberts for one.