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[jdfc]

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The members of Dundee FC supporters clubs did not have to queue up overnight in cold weather to try to ensure that they were able to purchase a ticket for next Friday’s game.
I am not a season ticket holder but I think that all the tickets for the Querns Park game should have been sold on a ‘first come, first served’ basis to season ticket holders only.

So you wanted even more people to queue up all night in the cold, you evil b@stard 😂

[BCram]

There’s absolutely no way that someone who’s not been to an away game this season, should get a ticket, before regular attendees.

My view is that it is a lottery who gets tickets when there is such a difference between the supply and the demand. First come, first served seemed to me to be the fairest way. I know it cuts across the "rights" of DSA members and ST holders who have been given preferential treatment in the past and I understand that there is a case for the supporters who go to away games and use organised buses, and those ST holders who have attended away games using their own transport.

It would be interesting to find out what the actual numbers are.

I think the alternative is that only regular away supporters should be allowed to ballot for tickets. A simple spreadsheet could tabulate how many games an away supporter bought a ticket, and those with the highest attendances would get first refusal. If they didn't/couldn't go then the ticket would go to the next highest attender.

Not sure if the stats are easily available but if they were that seems fair to me as an alternative.

In the absence of any openness about numbers it seems to me that the first come first served principle is fair.

[islaydarkblue]

[QUOTE=jdfc;40272437]So you wanted even more people to queue up all night in the cold, you evil b@stard ��[/QUOTEi
It should have been the same rules for everyone as per the statement on the Club website on Saturday 29th April 2023 not preferential treatment for one group of Dundee FC supporters.

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My view is that it is a lottery who gets tickets when there is such a difference between the supply and the demand. First come, first served seemed to me to be the fairest way. I know it cuts across the "rights" of DSA members and ST holders who have been given preferential treatment in the past and I understand that there is a case for the supporters who go to away games and use organised buses, and those ST holders who have attended away games using their own transport.

It would be interesting to find out what the actual numbers are.

I think the alternative is that only regular away supporters should be allowed to ballot for tickets. A simple spreadsheet could tabulate how many games an away supporter bought a ticket, and those with the highest attendances would get first refusal. If they didn't/couldn't go then the ticket would go to the next highest attender.

Not sure if the stats are easily available but if they were that seems fair to me as an alternative.

In the absence of any openness about numbers it seems to me that the first come first served principle is fair.

I met a guy down in Manchester once who was a Man Utd season ticket holder. He buys as many away game tickets as he can, a lot of Man U away game tickets are balloted for and he puts in for every ballot. However even if he gets one he doesn't always go - but it boosts his points total. The theory being that if he pays for a ticket for a less attractive game his points level is higher and he has a better chance of getting tickets for the bigger, more attractive games. If he has a ticket and can't travel he tries to offload it to someone who didn't get one. Away tickets are allocated by Manchester United on a points basis of course.

Returning to the real and depressing world of Scottish football I have a season ticket but have missed some home games this season. I also see plenty season ticket holders around me regularly missing from games.

The point? Having a ticket for a game doesn't guarantee that the individual holding that ticket actually went to the game. There's no solid way of doing this unless someone goes around logging names at or inside the ground by checking photo ID and ensuring the person named as the person that bought the ticket is actually the person using the ticket. That's not happening.

Therefore the only way to ensure fair distribution of limited away tickets is to offer an equal chance to all entitled season ticket holders, with a general sale after a time period, the only way to do that is to put them on sale in the ticket office or ideally via an online specialist ticketing system which would cost the club money so, again, will never happen.

My personal view now is that if the club was open and honest about ticket distribution i.e. it had stated at season ticket sale time that the season ticket gets you a level of priority in distribution of away tickets when necessary however a percentage (say 40% for argument) will be allocated to sponsors, players, staff and DSA clubs prior to sale then there would be no issue - even Islay couldn't have complained if it had all been stated up front. In that case people would have the option to join a supporters' club, it's then down to the club how they distribute their allocation - they do it fairly or people leave the club; possibly violently.

Do I trust all clubs right now to fairly distribute tickets and to return any they have spare should ticket numbers exceed the number of season ticket holders they have that want to go to the game? No I don't, I'd hope they would but I'm pretty sure some wouldn't.

If we get promoted there will be Tannadice, Celtic Park, Ibrox, Tynecastle, Easter Road, Pittodrie and possibly others that I can't think of right now where there will be limited tickets allocated to us. But the club has no stated prioritisation system for these limited tickets so will we same the same nonsense for all these away games next season? Possibly, but the club can do something right now to avoid that simply by stating to all supporters that there are levels or prioritisation. It's not really asking much from them, just clarity and proper communication of their priority ticketing policy. If they even have one.

[Returnofrros]

I met a guy down in Manchester once who was a Man Utd season ticket holder. He buys as many away game tickets as he can, a lot of Man U away game tickets are balloted for and he puts in for every ballot. However even if he gets one he doesn't always go - but it boosts his points total. The theory being that if he pays for a ticket for a less attractive game his points level is higher and he has a better chance of getting tickets for the bigger, more attractive games. If he has a ticket and can't travel he tries to offload it to someone who didn't get one. Away tickets are allocated by Manchester United on a points basis of course.

Returning to the real and depressing world of Scottish football I have a season ticket but have missed some home games this season. I also see plenty season ticket holders around me regularly missing from games.

The point? Having a ticket for a game doesn't guarantee that the individual holding that ticket actually went to the game. There's no solid way of doing this unless someone goes around logging names at or inside the ground by checking photo ID and ensuring the person named as the person that bought the ticket is actually the person using the ticket. That's not happening.

Therefore the only way to ensure fair distribution of limited away tickets is to offer an equal chance to all entitled season ticket holders, with a general sale after a time period, the only way to do that is to put them on sale in the ticket office or ideally via an online specialist ticketing system which would cost the club money so, again, will never happen.

My personal view now is that if the club was open and honest about ticket distribution i.e. it had stated at season ticket sale time that the season ticket gets you a level of priority in distribution of away tickets when necessary however a percentage (say 40% for argument) will be allocated to sponsors, players, staff and DSA clubs prior to sale then there would be no issue - even Islay couldn't have complained if it had all been stated up front. In that case people would have the option to join a supporters' club, it's then down to the club how they distribute their allocation - they do it fairly or people leave the club; possibly violently.

Do I trust all clubs right now to fairly distribute tickets and to return any they have spare should ticket numbers exceed the number of season ticket holders they have that want to go to the game? No I don't, I'd hope they would but I'm pretty sure some wouldn't.

If we get promoted there will be Tannadice, Celtic Park, Ibrox, Tynecastle, Easter Road, Pittodrie and possibly others that I can't think of right now where there will be limited tickets allocated to us. But the club has no stated prioritisation system for these limited tickets so will we same the same nonsense for all these away games next season? Possibly, but the club can do something right now to avoid that simply by stating to all supporters that there are levels or prioritisation. It's not really asking much from them, just clarity and proper communication of their priority ticketing policy. If they even have one.

Communication let me down and I'm left here
Communication let me down and I'm left here again.

Wee bit o Spandau.

[jdfc]

I met a guy down in Manchester once who was a Man Utd season ticket holder. He buys as many away game tickets as he can, a lot of Man U away game tickets are balloted for and he puts in for every ballot. However even if he gets one he doesn't always go - but it boosts his points total. The theory being that if he pays for a ticket for a less attractive game his points level is higher and he has a better chance of getting tickets for the bigger, more attractive games. If he has a ticket and can't travel he tries to offload it to someone who didn't get one. Away tickets are allocated by Manchester United on a points basis of course.

Returning to the real and depressing world of Scottish football I have a season ticket but have missed some home games this season. I also see plenty season ticket holders around me regularly missing from games.

The point? Having a ticket for a game doesn't guarantee that the individual holding that ticket actually went to the game. There's no solid way of doing this unless someone goes around logging names at or inside the ground by checking photo ID and ensuring the person named as the person that bought the ticket is actually the person using the ticket. That's not happening.

Therefore the only way to ensure fair distribution of limited away tickets is to offer an equal chance to all entitled season ticket holders, with a general sale after a time period, the only way to do that is to put them on sale in the ticket office or ideally via an online specialist ticketing system which would cost the club money so, again, will never happen.

My personal view now is that if the club was open and honest about ticket distribution i.e. it had stated at season ticket sale time that the season ticket gets you a level of priority in distribution of away tickets when necessary however a percentage (say 40% for argument) will be allocated to sponsors, players, staff and DSA clubs prior to sale then there would be no issue - even Islay couldn't have complained if it had all been stated up front. In that case people would have the option to join a supporters' club, it's then down to the club how they distribute their allocation - they do it fairly or people leave the club; possibly violently.

Do I trust all clubs right now to fairly distribute tickets and to return any they have spare should ticket numbers exceed the number of season ticket holders they have that want to go to the game? No I don't, I'd hope they would but I'm pretty sure some wouldn't.

If we get promoted there will be Tannadice, Celtic Park, Ibrox, Tynecastle, Easter Road, Pittodrie and possibly others that I can't think of right now where there will be limited tickets allocated to us. But the club has no stated prioritisation system for these limited tickets so will we same the same nonsense for all these away games next season? Possibly, but the club can do something right now to avoid that simply by stating to all supporters that there are levels or prioritisation. It's not really asking much from them, just clarity and proper communication of their priority ticketing policy. If they even have one.

Supporters clubs had to submit a list with their season ticket numbers, as none of them received the number they asked for there would be no surplus tickets

All the grounds you mentioned where there last season, Supporters clubs submitted forms for these games, only problem was the first one at tynecastle, the rest we never sold out allocation, it’s strange how folk don’t want to go when we’re not winning, but supporters buses still run

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Supporters clubs had to submit a list with their season ticket numbers, as none of them received the number they asked for there would be no surplus tickets

All the grounds you mentioned where there last season, Supporters clubs submitted forms for these games, only problem was the first one at tynecastle, the rest we never sold out allocation, it’s strange how folk don’t want to go when we’re not winning, but supporters buses still run

I don't find it particularly strange that anyone would be less inclined to go to places like Tynecastle, Ibrox or Celtic Park, where your safety is never really guaranteed, to see a team perform as badly as Dundee did last season. I admire the fortitude of those that do it though, I just don't have the stomach for it any more myself.

By the way, I won't be needing your season ticket - renewed mine today.

[islaydarkblue]

I met a guy down in Manchester once who was a Man Utd season ticket holder. He buys as many away game tickets as he can, a lot of Man U away game tickets are balloted for and he puts in for every ballot. However even if he gets one he doesn't always go - but it boosts his points total. The theory being that if he pays for a ticket for a less attractive game his points level is higher and he has a better chance of getting tickets for the bigger, more attractive games. If he has a ticket and can't travel he tries to offload it to someone who didn't get one. Away tickets are allocated by Manchester United on a points basis of course.

Returning to the real and depressing world of Scottish football I have a season ticket but have missed some home games this season. I also see plenty season ticket holders around me regularly missing from games.

The point? Having a ticket for a game doesn't guarantee that the individual holding that ticket actually went to the game. There's no solid way of doing this unless someone goes around logging names at or inside the ground by checking photo ID and ensuring the person named as the person that bought the ticket is actually the person using the ticket. That's not happening.

Therefore the only way to ensure fair distribution of limited away tickets is to offer an equal chance to all entitled season ticket holders, with a general sale after a time period, the only way to do that is to put them on sale in the ticket office or ideally via an online specialist ticketing system which would cost the club money so, again, will never happen.

My personal view now is that if the club was open and honest about ticket distribution i.e. it had stated at season ticket sale time that the season ticket gets you a level of priority in distribution of away tickets when necessary however a percentage (say 40% for argument) will be allocated to sponsors, players, staff and DSA clubs prior to sale then there would be no issue - even Islay couldn't have complained if it had all been stated up front. In that case people would have the option to join a supporters' club, it's then down to the club how they distribute their allocation - they do it fairly or people leave the club; possibly violently.

Do I trust all clubs right now to fairly distribute tickets and to return any they have spare should ticket numbers exceed the number of season ticket holders they have that want to go to the game? No I don't, I'd hope they would but I'm pretty sure some wouldn't.

If we get promoted there will be Tannadice, Celtic Park, Ibrox, Tynecastle, Easter Road, Pittodrie and possibly others that I can't think of right now where there will be limited tickets allocated to us. But the club has no stated prioritisation system for these limited tickets so will we same the same nonsense for all these away games next season? Possibly, but the club can do something right now to avoid that simply by stating to all supporters that there are levels or prioritisation. It's not really asking much from them, just clarity and proper communication of their priority ticketing policy. If they even have one.

I agree with everything that you say.
The management of Dundee Football Club should have been open and honest about the number of tickets allocated to be on sale for season ticket holders only in the Ticket Office on Monday 1st May 2023 at 10am.
Surely it is not too difficult for Greg Fenton and John Nelms to do that especially as the same season ticket holders are paying their salaries.

[jdfc]

I don't find it particularly strange that anyone would be less inclined to go to places like Tynecastle, Ibrox or Celtic Park, where your safety is never really guaranteed, to see a team perform as badly as Dundee did last season. I admire the fortitude of those that do it though, I just don't have the stomach for it any more myself.

By the way, I won't be needing your season ticket - renewed mine today.

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