Careless Tories!

[Geoff Parkstone]

Its not a great advert for UK politics that 3 of the main leaders from the last General
Election have been booted out or resigned in the way they have.

Hopefully we get better in future.

Johnson Corbyn and Farage? By my reckoning there were 8 parties involved in the 2019 election and the leaders of all 8 have gone, one way or tother

[ramAnag]

The resignation honours is a farce, they should really limit it to PMs who have served for a minimum period of time, say 5 years.

Not sure about ‘5 years’, but otherwise completely agree...the idea of a discredited liar who has been forced into two (at least) resignations and brought disgrace on Parliament’s reputation still being allowed to reward his supporters is, imo, unacceptable.

[ramAnag]

Johnson Corbyn and Farage? By my reckoning there were 8 parties involved in the 2019 election and the leaders of all 8 have gone, one way or tother

Speaks volumes about the ‘wisdom’ of Brexit.

[swaledale]

Speaks volumes about the ‘wisdom’ of Brexit.

Its not unusual for the leader of a party that failed to get elected to power to change, but to have 3 different PM's in one parliamentary term is very unusual, if not unprecedented especially when the governing party has aa big majority.

If that had been Labour the majority of the media would be howling about instability and incompetence in government.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Speaks volumes about the ‘wisdom’ of Brexit.

I'm not sure it says anything about Brexit, but it says a lot about the transient nature of UK politics where one's life expectancy as leader gets shorter and shorter and cannot survive one defeat

[swaledale]

The resignation honours is a farce, they should really limit it to PMs who have served for a minimum period of time, say 5 years.

Its not even something that they are entitled to, its just recent history. IMO the HOL should be completely reformed into a democratic upper chamber, something which Blair failed to do when he had the chance.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Its not even something that they are entitled to, its just recent history. IMO the HOL should be completely reformed into a democratic upper chamber, something which Blair failed to do when he had the chance.

Agreed. But please make it an apolitical upper chamber if at all possible, otherwise it will simply become a replica of the ****house we see in the lower chamber

[ramAnag]

I'm not sure it says anything about Brexit, but it says a lot about the transient nature of UK politics where one's life expectancy as leader gets shorter and shorter and cannot survive one defeat

Well the three mentioned were all anti EU, some more overtly than others, and they’ve all seen their support largely disappear which surely wouldn’t have happened had Brexit been the raging success we were promised.

Entirely agree with your suggestions about the HoL. Not sure how you’ll manage it, given the nature of politicians, but a largely apolitical chamber made up of those who’ve proved successful leaders in health, education, business, industry, finance, the arts, transport, social care etc - you know, people who might actually know what they’re talking about - holds great appeal.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Well the three mentioned were all anti EU, some more overtly than others, and they’ve all seen their support largely disappear which surely wouldn’t have happened had Brexit been the raging success we were promised.

Entirely agree with your suggestions about the HoL. Not sure how you’ll manage it, given the nature of politicians, but a largely apolitical chamber made up of those who’ve proved successful leaders in health, education, business, industry, finance, the arts, transport, social care etc - you know, people who might actually know what they’re talking about - holds great appeal.

Those three were also all (I believe) hetero***ual men, so does their departure make it an LBGTXFD++ conspiracy?

When neither of the leaders of the major parties expressed remain sentiments, to blame their departure (essentially for non brexit issues) on brexit is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. Neither hard to do nor fair.

Corbyn went due to being unelectable and a left leaning antisemite. Johnson went due to being a right leaning untrustworthy bender of the truth.

Let's not fog that reality by bringing brexit into it as your personal hobby horse

[ramAnag]

Those three were also all (I believe) hetero***ual men, so does their departure make it an LBGTXFD++ conspiracy?

When neither of the leaders of the major parties expressed remain sentiments, to blame their departure (essentially for non brexit issues) on brexit is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel. Neither hard to do nor fair.

Corbyn went due to being unelectable and a left leaning antisemite. Johnson went due to being a right leaning untrustworthy bender of the truth.

Let's not fog that reality by bringing brexit into it as your personal hobby horse

Brexit isn’t really my ‘personal hobby horse’ anymore than it is most of the electorate these days, still I take your point...although I think your first sentence is a bit daft seeing as ‘getting Brexit done’, rather than anything LGBTQ related, was the main issue at the last (2019) election.

My point was that, isn’t it sad that at a time when the British electorate was deciding on such a hugely important issue we had three such incompetents in charge? Either way...the ‘three stooges’ have hopefully all come unstuck and it’s nice to see you recognising Johnson for what he is...in your own words, a ‘right leaning untrustworthy bender of the truth’. There was a time when I seem to recall you referring to him as a ‘nice bloke’ and that’s something he really, really isn’t.