O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Jampie]

Curious the UK stopped publishing unvaccinated deaths and hospitalisations as opposed to vaccinated just at the point vaccinated began dying and taking up the beds. People have been calling for the government to reveal vax status of deaths to put to bed the theory that the vax is a factor in excess deaths over the last 18 months or so. What reason would they have for not doing that?

They stopped when so much of the population was vaccinated it stopped having much meaning, and when the stats were abused by anti vaxers to convince people who don't understand stats that vaccines didn't work or were actually killing people. Both of which, to be clear, are lies.

I know this because I was reading the reports from the UK government regularly for a few months at the height of the pandemic, and in daily contact with anti vaxers and their assorted nonsense.

The graph I linked shows with abundant clarity that a vaccinated population suffers far, far, fewer deaths per infection.

There doesn't seem to be any denial that excess deaths have been alarmingly high with heart disease/attacks accounting for a very significant proportion. The disagreement is to what's causing it. Some claim it's damage as a result of Covid, some the vax and others are just baffled.

The document you linked goes into a series of much saner explanations for this that have nothing to do with "vaccine damage" or other long-disproven piffle.

You would expect "non-covid" excess deaths to fall off from now on, and indeed all the stats I've seen show they are doing just that.

[upthemaggies]

They stopped when so much of the population was vaccinated it stopped having much meaning, and when the stats were abused by anti vaxers to convince people who don't understand stats that vaccines didn't work or were actually killing people. Both of which, to be clear, are lies.

You're having a laugh, it reached the point where the stats (You could download straightforward Unvaxxed v vaxxed numbers of patients on ICU per month for individual hospitals) became inconvenient after they had promised the vax prevented hospitalisation and death. It didn't. They lied every step of the way (prevents infection, prevents spread, prevents severe illness, long term protection) and then hid the evidence.

Let's be clear about this, the average age of Covid death (with or of) was higher than life expectancy or thereabouts. The largest numbers of unvaxxed were in the deprived areas with the poorest health/diets and it was always the case from day 1 that the vast vast majority showed little or even no symptoms.

The jab didn't grant anybody eternal life or magically give them an extra 10 years as a bonus prize for being a compliant citizen, people who were jabbed still die. All cause mortality numbers - including excess - include vaccinated people.

Unvaxxed were not testing regularly, signing up for the NHS apps, NHS Covid surveys (I got one and binned it), track and trace or going to the doctor and presenting their symptoms for advice, there was no way of knowing how often or how ill unjabbed were apart the tiny fraction who became ill enough to require hospital treatment. Yet it reached the point of farce where young fit and healthy jabbed were wiped out with Covid telling the world "Thank goodness I got vaccinated or it would have been so much worse." when typically the fit and well pre-vax had been breezing through it. So if it were the case that the increase in heart issues is purely as a result of having Covid, the vaxxed won't be able to avoid it. Excess deaths in young and working age people as a result of heart conditions implies far greater numbers will have been damaged with the long term issues still to reveal themselves.

[Magpies1959]

Great post UTM

[BanjoPie]

You're having a laugh, it reached the point where the stats (You could download straightforward Unvaxxed v vaxxed numbers of patients on ICU per month for individual hospitals) became inconvenient after they had promised the vax prevented hospitalisation and death. It didn't. They lied every step of the way (prevents infection, prevents spread, prevents severe illness, long term protection) and then hid the evidence.

Let's be clear about this, the average age of Covid death (with or of) was higher than life expectancy or thereabouts. The largest numbers of unvaxxed were in the deprived areas with the poorest health/diets and it was always the case from day 1 that the vast vast majority showed little or even no symptoms.

The jab didn't grant anybody eternal life or magically give them an extra 10 years as a bonus prize for being a compliant citizen, people who were jabbed still die. All cause mortality numbers - including excess - include vaccinated people.

Unvaxxed were not testing regularly, signing up for the NHS apps, NHS Covid surveys (I got one and binned it), track and trace or going to the doctor and presenting their symptoms for advice, there was no way of knowing how often or how ill unjabbed were apart the tiny fraction who became ill enough to require hospital treatment. Yet it reached the point of farce where young fit and healthy jabbed were wiped out with Covid telling the world "Thank goodness I got vaccinated or it would have been so much worse." when typically the fit and well pre-vax had been breezing through it. So if it were the case that the increase in heart issues is purely as a result of having Covid, the vaxxed won't be able to avoid it. Excess deaths in young and working age people as a result of heart conditions implies far greater numbers will have been damaged with the long term issues still to reveal themselves.

You spend too much time on Facebook - is that where you get all the news from?

[countygump]

Clap for the NHS?




https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/...se-new-8538722

[upthemaggies]

Clap for the NHS?




https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/...se-new-8538722

Monkey Pox was declared a world emergency by the WHO a year ago, we were told it was spread between intimate partners, gay men in particular, it magically disappeared off the face the earth overnight after some children were diagnosed with it.

[i961pie]

If someone's argument has no logic to back it up then it's not worth arguing with them, their mind is made up and it won't change. Holocaust deniers and moon landing deniers are the same.

[BanjoPie]

If someone's argument has no logic to back it up then it's not worth arguing with them, their mind is made up and it won't change. Holocaust deniers and moon landing deniers are the same.

funny how they change the subject when asks for factual evidence

[Mapperleypie]

Why bother yourself with prevailing expert opinion and analysis?

You can spend a couple of hours on the internet and be way smarter on any complicated matter of public health or the economy than the prevailing wisdom from people who have dedicated their whole life to a particular field.

I blame the woke blob for this mess (or the WEF)* delete as appropriate.

Do your own research

[upthemaggies]

Why bother yourself with prevailing expert opinion and analysis?

There is no long term data, it's was an experiment, a new type of vaccine, literally a gene therapy. It really is that simple. Anybody who says that the science is settled is lying.