Careless Tories!

[ramAnag]

In comparison to BoJo's careless handling of the truth it is indeed a little lie. But Boris started small as well and so I fear the same pattern may be starting as the reds copy the blues.

If someone had outted Boris earlier, maybe things would not have escalated to the degree they did. To my mind therefore it's worth flagging this one in the hope that it's not the start of a similar pattern.

It's not "deflection", it's a rational development of the point. Threads should be allowed to evolve within the general topic, and this to me is evolution into a "careless politicians" thread which is fine. I'm not so narrow minded as to focus on just one party's questionable statements/actions/ethics etc. Life is rarely that black and white.

Some fair points there GP, although your suggestion that had ‘someone outed Boris earlier, maybe things would not have escalated to the degree they did’ seems a little ironic given the amount of time you, TTR and AF have spent attempting to discredit pretty much any criticism that Swale, MA, Sith (more recently) and I have had to make about him.

I’m inclined to agree that ‘life is rarely that black and white’ but I’m honestly not sure what Sue Gray is meant to have done wrong and I agree with MA...Tricky is ‘deflecting’. Without defending Johnson’s wrongdoing he is trying to shift attention away from him at precisely the time that this disgraced politician - and that is what he is - is being touted as a candidate to be the next Mayor of London, indeed it is that possibility that has kick started the whole Johnson commentary again...at least as far as I’m concerned.

Finally, before Mr. Moderator launches another foolish and tedious attack on me for contributing again to this thread he may like to look at the forum ‘stats’, where he’ll find the two political threads seem to be streets ahead of anything he has introduced in terms of both contributions and ‘views’. Over 600 of the former and approaching 14,000 of the latter. Maybe not so ‘boring’ after all.

[Geoff Parkstone]

By earlier I meant right at the start of his political career mybe 10 years ago - way before you jumped on the evil Boris bandwagon maybe 5 years ago when his blond locks first appeared on the post referendum parapets. Before then he was more of a remainer and so above criticism in these parts

One man's meat is anther's poison - to you and MA, TTR is deflecting - to me he is broadening the debate. I don't understand your problem with this (its not the first time you've used the "charge" of deflection). Surely if person A is accusing person B of something, then its highly apposite to the discussion should person A also possibly be doing the same thing. Don't do as I do, do as I say, springs to mind. As I said before, I'm not seeking to defend BJ here, in the face of the findings, nor, I think, is TTR, but we are simply pointing out that "son of BOJO" aka Starmer looks to maybe be heading down the same path as regards his recruitment process disclosures.

[Andy_Faber]

Surely if person A is accusing person B of something, then it’s highly apposite to the discussion should person A also possibly be doing the same thing. Don't do as I do, do as I say, springs to mind. As I said before, I'm not seeking to defend BJ here, in the face of the findings, nor, I think, is TTR, but we are simply pointing out that "son of BOJO" aka Starmer looks to maybe be heading down the same path as regards his recruitment process disclosures.

My view also. It’s just a shame having such a balanced view appears to ignite such a negative response

[Andy_Faber]

Finally, before Mr. Moderator launches another foolish and tedious attack on me for contributing again to this thread he may like to look at the forum ‘stats’, where he’ll find the two political threads seem to be streets ahead of anything he has introduced in terms of both contributions and ‘views’. Over 600 of the former and approaching 14,000 of the latter. Maybe not so ‘boring’ after all.

Don’t confuse quantity with quality rA, political discussion online and off is riddled with folk with blinkers on so tight they can’t even see forwards and way to much time on their hands to communicate their bigotry whatever their POV

And AF will do fine, the ‘Mr Moderator’ epithet sort of gives away your frustration with your failed one man crusade last year

[Trickytreesreds]

I can be accused of "deflecting" all you like.

The burn him at the stake campaign of BJ, can go on regardless. Its been raging for some time now and even though he is now irrelevant, the chase continues.
My point is simply that, not all those chasing him with a flaming torch, have earned the right to.
Starmer lies himself repetatively. But because he isn't in power, folks ignore it more.
But the day will come, when folks will take note.

Politicians kiss children in front of cameras. Turn the cameras off, then they are nicking their lollipops

We are fools to think they don't.

[ramAnag]

I can be accused of "deflecting" all you like.

The burn him at the stake campaign of BJ, can go on regardless. Its been raging for some time now and even though he is now irrelevant, the chase continues.
My point is simply that, not all those chasing him with a flaming torch, have earned the right to.
Starmer lies himself repetatively. But because he isn't in power, folks ignore it more.
But the day will come, when folks will take note.

Politicians kiss children in front of cameras. Turn the cameras off, then they are nicking their lollipops

We are fools to think they don't.

But it isn’t ‘irrelevant’ Tricky...that’s the whole point. I’d actually love to think we were all done with him, believe his wrong doing was all in the past and that we were rid of him, but no sooner had he been found to have behaved badly for about the fourth or fifth time than there were people putting him forward as the next mayor of London and that, to me, is unacceptable.

I didn’t jump on any bandwagon GP...other than his initial appearances on ‘Have I Got News for You’ I’ve always believed him to be a thoroughly unpleasant piece of work and yes...I did know about his behaviour at Oxford before it became more common knowledge. The man is, to the best of my knowledge, a narcissistic bully who should never have been handed the reins of high office and shouldn’t be given another opportunity to assume any form of authority.

Balanced view, AF? Where is your balance? You generally attack those who disagree with you quite unpleasantly, especially Swale and myself, and then disappear or ask for a ‘truce’ when things aren’t going your way which, as far as BJ and the Tories are concerned, has been the case for quite a while.
My ‘frustration’ and ‘one man crusade’? I presume you’re talking about the fact that I had the audacity to support the idea of MA becoming a moderator and which you’ve made clear you aren’t at all happy about.
I haven’t mentioned it again, but seeing as YOU have brought it up...yes I still believe it to be a good idea. That’s how this forum had always been run for all the time I’d been on it and it worked. It provides assistance and helps share the burden of responsibility for the running of the forum, provides a ‘sounding board’ where disagreement with decisions are concerned and prevents anyone becoming dictatorial in their role of mod.
Those are, imo, three good reasons and I think MA commands enough respect amongst other members to be a suitable ‘appointment’. The fact that he actually wants the role, though God knows why, is another plus. You appearing to want sole control and to have things all your own way is a mystery to me, but it’s also a matter I’ve long since stopped giving any thought at all to.

[Trickytreesreds]

But it isn’t ‘irrelevant’ Tricky...that’s the whole point. I’d actually love to think we were all done with him, believe his wrong doing was all in the past and that we were rid of him, but no sooner had he been found to have behaved badly for about the fourth or fifth time than there were people putting him forward as the next mayor of London and that, to me, is unacceptable.

I didn’t jump on any bandwagon GP...other than his initial appearances on ‘Have I Got News for You’ I’ve always believed him to be a thoroughly unpleasant piece of work and yes...I did know about his behaviour at Oxford before it became more common knowledge. The man is, to the best of my knowledge, a narcissistic bully who should never have been handed the reins of high office and shouldn’t be given another opportunity to assume any form of authority.

Balanced view, AF? Where is your balance? You generally attack those who disagree with you quite unpleasantly, especially Swale and myself, and then disappear or ask for a ‘truce’ when things aren’t going your way which, as far as BJ and the Tories are concerned, has been the case for quite a while.
My ‘frustration’ and ‘one man crusade’? I presume you’re talking about the fact that I had the audacity to support the idea of MA becoming a moderator and which you’ve made clear you aren’t at all happy about.
I haven’t mentioned it again, but seeing as YOU have brought it up...yes I still believe it to be a good idea. That’s how this forum had always been run for all the time I’d been on it and it worked. It provides assistance and helps share the burden of responsibility for the running of the forum, provides a ‘sounding board’ where disagreement with decisions are concerned and prevents anyone becoming dictatorial in their role of mod.
Those are, imo, three good reasons and I think MA commands enough respect amongst other members to be a suitable ‘appointment’. The fact that he actually wants the role, though God knows why, is another plus. You appearing to want sole control and to have things all your own way is a mystery to me, but it’s also a matter I’ve long since stopped giving any thought at all to.

I'm open to correction. But didn't he try and admin never replied? Been there myself and they are a pain.

As for MA, you only want that cheese licking, clog wearing EU resident, as a trophy member of the past
(this is a joke, to save any confusion)

[Andy_Faber]

I'm open to correction. But didn't he try and admin never replied? Been there myself and they are a pain.

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Correct. I’ve dm’d and emailed on various subjects a number of times over the past year and got no reply. I gave up on the admin thing because it didn’t seem a priority, although MA’s offer to share duties was appreciated

[Geoff Parkstone]

I have to say that I'm struggling to see the value of more than one chief when there are only about 8-10 Indians. Makes the forum seem a bit like the NHS in terms of staffing balance.

Suppose it gives holiday cover and someone to agree with rA when he goes off piste on a crusade 😄 though

[Andy_Faber]

I have to say that I'm struggling to see the value of more than one chief when there are only about 8-10 Indians. Makes the forum seem a bit like the NHS in terms of staffing balance.

Yes until recently I was (joint with one other) mod of a fb page with tens of thousands of members, the other guy rarely struggled to cover all issues himself, those issues almost wholly limited to Rangers and Celtic fans getting nasty and ironically folk trying to insert politics into footy discussions

Point taken about NHS, my recent experience involved two excellent practitioners after fighting through maybe six admin staff