O/T:- Banks

[crazyfists]

I do agree with Keld when he says we probably have more in common than we think. We mostly have the basic set of values regarding helping people and hopefully improving the world for everyone not just the few (There are exceptions of course, yes Suella I'm looking at you)

Who's caring about the future though when all you're thinking about is the next term? One comes in, takes the others work apart, then they go out and the new takes their work apart and so it goes on. Can't they get together to form a basic set of ideals that we should strive for as a country? Fight over the lesser stuff but at the core should be a healthy NHS, a proper immigration system (setting up places all over the world to apply for asylum would be a start, plus a proper processing system here. Yes this will cost alot of money but we find it for other things) The right to protest (If we worked with some of these groups and really commitred to leaving a planet for future generations with plant and wildlife intact, then alot might curtail their protests anyway, of course you'll still get some but improvements can be made) The bill of human rights, clean water in rivers and seas, enough affordable housing with facilities. Things like these should be the basics of what our government maintains.

I don't believe though, that Gammon is a race and instead definitely applied by myself to people who maintain an air of bigotry.

[keldsyke]

In reaction to a fairly innocuous discussion about a tennis player the other day you accused me amongst other things of not being able to face real life. If you feel you’ve been ‘misinterpreted’ on here, WhatsApp or anywhere else, I don’t think it’s the other person who has the problem.

I don’t think I’ve been misinterpreted in anything in this thread I’ve posted, again you’ve assumed something in what you’ve read and what you want to read, you’ve just proved my point!

[keldsyke]

Not in the slightest, I was merely explaining the context in which I use the term 'gammon', and I thought I explained it pretty clearly. I use it as an amusing term to mock bigotry rather than skin colour.

How you can turn that into "anyone who has different views to you is a racist" is beyond me. It's aimed at bigots, so if someone isn't bigoted it's not aimed at them.

You’re missing the point what anyone classes as a bigot is different in every case, I’m sure there’s people ion here who see you BFP Andy as lefties Marxists, Commies etc is that true? and by the same token when someone in the slightest puts a different opinion to you, BFP, etc they suddenly become accused of Tory’s with right wing views and are scum of the earth, all I’m saying is that people just need to be a bit more accepting that’s all and not go off at the deep end.

[Jeekay56]

BFP Lol a 'fairly innocuous discussion' in which you called the GOAT tennis player a c*nt, and was not quite sure if I was one too, and all because I don't have the same political views as you

Here's an idea, send him a PM telling him your views don't align and that you're not going to engage with him any more.

[MarcusCole]

Not in the slightest, I was merely explaining the context in which I use the term 'gammon', and I thought I explained it pretty clearly. I use it as an amusing term to mock bigotry rather than skin colour.

How you can turn that into "anyone who has different views to you is a racist" is beyond me. It's aimed at bigots, so if someone isn't bigoted it's not aimed at them.

I think you don't know what a bigot is

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Does this sound like anyone on this board? I seems to me there are two specific people on here calling people names and really need to take a hard look in the mirror. You say you only call racists and bigots Gammons but it's you that gets to decide who is one of those things and I bet it is people that disagree with you in some way will get the name.

[Elite_Pie]

You’re missing the point what anyone classes as a bigot is different in every case.

You say you only call racists and bigots Gammons but it's you that gets to decide who is one of those things and I bet it is people that disagree with you in some way will get the name.

That's why I explained quite clearly exactly what I'm referring to when I use the term 'gammon'. I'll repeat it for you:

"An old conservative Englishman who bickers on about minorities instead of helping solve the country's issues. The sort who goes red in the face with anger at the perceived erosion of "their" type of Britain. The kind of person who thinks that flour is a spice, that there's too many Spaniards in Spain, and they "Don't want any of that foreign muck" when abroad instead only eating Sausage and Chips. The sort who reserve the right to move anywhere in the world, but don't want any "bloody foreigners" in our country".

That's what the term means TO ME, and that is the group I aim it at.

If you both want to try and make it mean something different, that's up to you.

[MarcusCole]

That's why I explained quite clearly exactly what I'm referring to when I use the term 'gammon'. I'll repeat it for you:

"An old conservative Englishman who bickers on about minorities instead of helping solve the country's issues. The sort who goes red in the face with anger at the perceived erosion of "their" type of Britain. The kind of person who thinks that flour is a spice, that there's too many Spaniards in Spain, and they "Don't want any of that foreign muck" when abroad instead only eating Sausage and Chips. The sort who reserve the right to move anywhere in the world, but don't want any "bloody foreigners" in our country".

That's what the term means TO ME, and that is the group I aim it at.

If you both want to try and make it mean something different, that's up to you.

And I'm sure you check the person you are calling a gammon is that way, you do all the research into their views and background before you call them that name right? You go though all of that and don't make a snap call to use a slur against them because that way you don't have to listen to them.

Which part of the following quote fulfills your definition:

I am sure the knight in shining armour that is Sir (god knows what that is for) Kier Starmer will sort it out. In other news, good to see Nat West offer a wishy washy apology on behalf of Coutts to Nigel Farage for wrongly, closing his account. We will have to see if the BBC offer an apology too for their reporting of the story.

I see no mention any of the points you use to define someone as a Gammon, so what of this post showed he deserved that name?

[Elite_Pie]

And I'm sure you check the person you are calling a gammon is that way, you do all the research into their views and background before you call them that name right? You go though all of that and don't make a snap call to use a slur against them because that way you don't have to listen to them.

Which part of the following quote fulfills your definition:



I see no mention any of the points you use to define someone as a Gammon, so what of this post showed he deserved that name?

You seem to be taking things way too seriously. My actual comment was "For someone who claims no political allegiance, you are doing a brilliant job of impersonating the archetypal gammon!"

Note the exclamation mark, and the word impersonating. I've explained what gammon means to me, it's a group of people rather than an individual. Are you saying the group I referred to don't exist?

If Magpies1959 was as offended by the comment as you seem to be then I apologise to him.

[keldsyke]

That's why I explained quite clearly exactly what I'm referring to when I use the term 'gammon'. I'll repeat it for you:

"An old conservative Englishman who bickers on about minorities instead of helping solve the country's issues. The sort who goes red in the face with anger at the perceived erosion of "their" type of Britain. The kind of person who thinks that flour is a spice, that there's too many Spaniards in Spain, and they "Don't want any of that foreign muck" when abroad instead only eating Sausage and Chips. The sort who reserve the right to move anywhere in the world, but don't want any "bloody foreigners" in our country".

That's what the term means TO ME, and that is the group I aim it at.

If you both want to try and make it mean something different, that's up to you.

Ok, before the last 'Handbags' thread was deleted, If I remember correctly you said that you acknowledged that you had played your part in what happened in that thread and you were going to make an effort in your future posts on the board (broadly speaking), perhaps try being a bit more accepting it goes along way and ultimately you don't end up being tarnished like Laddo! :-).

The player ratings thread is a perfect example how it works well, people give their scores, people agree and disagree, and discuss, it seems with certain subjects as soon as some can the agendas come out. Take this thread, not much has been discussed about the subject, whether (ironically) people should be cancelled because their views don't fit from what an organisation DEEMS right! Everyone should be able to post their thoughts on here / elsewhere without fear of being ridiculed or cancelled.

[Elite_Pie]

Ok, before the last 'Handbags' thread was deleted, If I remember correctly you said that you acknowledged that you had played your part in what happened in that thread and you were going to make an effort in your future posts on the board (broadly speaking), perhaps try being a bit more accepting.

The gist of what I said was that I would try and avoid petty personal arguments. I don't see this as petty or personal. I'm answering questions and trying to explain what I meant in a polite way.

Everyone should be able to post their thoughts on here / elsewhere without fear of being ridiculed or cancelled.

Of course they should. Sometimes those thoughts will meet with disagreement, but those disagreements shouldn't go too far. It would be a pretty dull place if everyone agreed.