The PIF and us

[PhoneymcRingRing]

I wonder where we are in their list of priorities? I know we have to watch for FFP but something feels not right, We joke about selling our dead wood to the Saudi league for 100s of millions, but why can’t we? If ASM being sold to the Saudi league doesn’t break any rules then why can’t we sell Hayden, Hendrick, Darlow etc to the Saudi league?

The PIF have so much money they could bankrupt the PL or UEFA tying them up in court cases .

So why are they holding back compared to all the other sports washing projects they own?

Curious.

[toonozandy]

I wonder where we are in their list of priorities? I know we have to watch for FFP but something feels not right, We joke about selling our dead wood to the Saudi league for 100s of millions, but why can’t we? If ASM being sold to the Saudi league doesn’t break any rules then why can’t we sell Hayden, Hendrick, Darlow etc to the Saudi league?

The PIF have so much money they could bankrupt the PL or UEFA tying them up in court cases .

So why are they holding back compared to all the other sports washing projects they own?

Curious.

Interesting points you raise RingRing - we are definitely a project for the Saudies, I think they will need to outsmart the owners of the BIG SIX. I cannot see why they would not just do LOAN DEALS to us. That alone would finish off all of them !!!!!

[Ragatino]

I wonder where we are in their list of priorities? I know we have to watch for FFP but something feels not right, We joke about selling our dead wood to the Saudi league for 100s of millions, but why can’t we? If ASM being sold to the Saudi league doesn’t break any rules then why can’t we sell Hayden, Hendrick, Darlow etc to the Saudi league?

The PIF have so much money they could bankrupt the PL or UEFA tying them up in court cases .

So why are they holding back compared to all the other sports washing projects they own?

Curious.

Why can't we?

Simply because the PiF and the KSA football league are trying to build a top quality. Packing the clubs full of dross players with zero international reputation does nothing to develop the league brand or elevate the national sport in a nation where 20.2 percent of people in the Kingdom are classed as obese.

I've posted links the the '2030' vision for Saudi on another thread. If you google Saudi 2030 vision you'll find it.

People in this part of the world aren't interested in tangling themselves up in lengthy expensive law suits. Modesty and discretion are preferred. There is no info coming out the club, no leaks. This how things work.

What you need to know is that what we are to them is their version of Man City.

The difference is every single club has the knives out for us. So with City facing 104+ charges we have to box clever.

What is the best way to do things?
- Ramraid the front door, trample all over thing, have the entire media machine & governing bodies against you
or
- Work to the rules, build properly & responsible
- Ensuring no matter what those who are Anti-NUFC (Miguel Bell-endie) level at us the truth is that we've done everything right
- The rest of the media machines focus their attention on other clubs

[toptoon]

The more you think about it the more you realize how clever PIF have been with us. They’ve fully understood FFP rules and acted accordingly.
They took their time to find the right manager - one who could greatly improve players we already had (thus partly reducing the need to buy more). They saw that FFP applies over a 3 year rolling average, meaning that any new signing needs to be, not only good enough but, good enough for at least 3 seasons - hence we’ve signed only young players and no last pay out, ageing superstars.
Finally we’ve concentrated in part on players that can play in more than one position, giving flexibility and so putting less pressure on the need for so many new players.
We are being well run by smart and experienced people.

[Ragatino]

The more you think about it the more you realize how clever PIF have been with us. They’ve fully understood FFP rules and acted accordingly.
They took their time to find the right manager - one who could greatly improve players we already had (thus partly reducing the need to buy more). They saw that FFP applies over a 3 year rolling average, meaning that any new signing needs to be, not only good enough but, good enough for at least 3 seasons - hence we’ve signed only young players and no last pay out, ageing superstars.
Finally we’ve concentrated in part on players that can play in more than one position, giving flexibility and so putting less pressure on the need for so many new players.
We are being well run by smart and experienced people.

Exactly - Spreading liability.

Young developing players with high potential ceilings who play in multiple positions offering EH a more diverse tool box of skilled players.

The guys we've brought in, BDB & Targett included have a sell on value. BDB will probably retire at NUFC, Targett could go one to one more club in his career.

Should insane (£120-150m) offers come in for Botman, Bruno, Tonali, Isak the club will probably do the deal as we can reinvest and bring in equal class.

Pope & Tripz are probably the only two that don't have re-sale value towards the end of their contracts due to age however, like BDB they will see out their contracts with NUFC and retire. Having helped to establish NUFC as a regular Champions League team they will be heralded as the heroes they inevitably are!

[TANYA_]

The Saudi's want to be seen as doing their NUFC dealings all above board and playing by the rules so they can hold their heads high.

Their vision for 2030 is to have their image completely changed by the rest of the world, to have the best football club in the world (NUFC)

They have unlimited funds and they have already changed the way of life over there in 10 years that would normally take a generation.


Dont be under any illusions though, if the PL, UEFA and the greedy cartel keep putting obstacles in their way and changing the rules to stop us and them progressing as needed, their patience will run out and they will destroy the competition, think feck the FFP and go on a spending spree and take the lot of them to court, expose them for what they are and win

[Ragatino]

The Saudi's want to be seen as doing their NUFC dealings all above board and playing by the rules so they can hold their heads high.

Their vision for 2030 is to have their image completely changed by the rest of the world, to have the best football club in the world (NUFC)

They have unlimited funds and they have already changed the way of life over there in 10 years that would normally take a generation.


Dont be under any illusions though, if the PL, UEFA and the greedy cartel keep putting obstacles in their way and changing the rules to stop us and them progressing as needed, their patience will run out and they will destroy the competition, think feck the FFP and go on a spending spree and take the lot of them to court, expose them for what they are and win

If it goes that way there will only be one winner. The PGA is by far a more distinguished and powerful organisation than the EPL & the PiF crushed them inside of a year.

I have no doubt who will win in a legal battle. The PiF own most of the planet.

[Jammy89]

I have no doubt who will win in a legal battle.

And neither do the prem - which is why they will make a lot of noise but do very little.

They've seen the money and they'll want that coming into their pockets as well.

[Ragatino]

And neither do the prem - which is why they will make a lot of noise but do very little.

They've seen the money and they'll want that coming into their pockets as well.

Yeah indeed but it's more than money.

It's global influence.
It's political power.
It's Continental wealth.

It's more than just money.

When you live out here in the Gulf you realise even a small nation like Qatar's influence on governments across Europe and the USA.

350,000 Qatari people, Qatar Soverign Wealth Fund QIA has more than $450 billion under management.

They just signed a long term contract to provide Germany with the natural gas supply lost with the sanctions against Russia. The untold billions that will earn this small nations is astounding.

Now think that Qatar only really started it's Oil & Gas industries in the 1970s compared with the Saudis who have been the global No.1 producer of Oil since the 1940s. The money they have is in the Trillions of USD. The Saudi oil wealth became the defacto replacement for the Gold Standard as the global ecomony moved away from gold.

So basically the world bank owes Saudi money whilst the rest of the world owes the world bank.

[toonozandy]

Yeah indeed but it's more than money.

It's global influence.
It's political power.
It's Continental wealth.

It's more than just money.

When you live out here in the Gulf you realise even a small nation like Qatar's influence on governments across Europe and the USA.

350,000 Qatari people, Qatar Soverign Wealth Fund QIA has more than $450 billion under management.

They just signed a long term contract to provide Germany with the natural gas supply lost with the sanctions against Russia. The untold billions that will earn this small nations is astounding.

Now think that Qatar only really started it's Oil & Gas industries in the 1970s compared with the Saudis who have been the global No.1 producer of Oil since the 1940s. The money they have is in the Trillions of USD. The Saudi oil wealth became the defacto replacement for the Gold Standard as the global ecomony moved away from gold.

So basically the world bank owes Saudi money whilst the rest of the world owes the world bank.

That is mind boggling wealth Ragatino, thank goodness they own us !!!!