O/T:- Banks

[Magpies1959]

Civil Servants, Church of England Clergy and lawyers (like the ones telling illegal immigrants to lie to stay in this country), oh and King Charles that well known right winger, LMFAO. Sorry to be so crude but it did get me spitting my coffee out. Just because someone is rich, does not mean they have right wing views, often the richest in society are far from right wing.

Gump that is funny

[countygump]

In all seriousness, this "de-banking" lark is something that really needs to be looked into and may well require some legislation to prevent it. Denying someone an account because of their political viewpoint is tantamount to impinging on people's freedom of speech, and that is certainly not good for any democracy. Seems it's affecting people of all political persuasions as well.




https://www.theguardian.com/business...o-bank-account

[Elite_Pie]

Civil Servants, Church of England Clergy and lawyers (like the ones telling illegal immigrants to lie to stay in this country), oh and King Charles that well known right winger, LMFAO. Sorry to be so crude but it did get me spitting my coffee out. Just because someone is rich, does not mean they have right wing views, often the richest in society are far from right wing.

As I said, that was the wiki definition of 'the establishment' rather than mine. You've cherry picked a few to support your view, but you very conveniently ignored "the aristocracy, the landed gentry, prestigious public schools like Eton College and Harrow School".

I wonder why?

[Magpies1959]

It was just the ones I highlighted were the ones that made me spit my coffee out with some gusto. There are obviously parts of the 'Establishment' that are right leaning, but far fewer these days I suggest. which is probably why our political parties are getting closer together.

Why do you automatically assume any one who has political views on the right of politics is a bad person. As I have said before, in a perfect world if elements from both sides of the political divide were used in the right measures, the country/world, would be a far better place. There is always somebody there to spoil things though, from both sides. Greed and jealousy are big human failings.

[Elite_Pie]

It was just the ones I highlighted were the ones that made me spit my coffee out with some gusto.

Maybe a Dolce Gusto? I've got the machine, never use it.

Why do you automatically assume any one who has political views on the right of politics is a bad person.

Wow! I can honestly say I've never ever said that and never ever thought that.

As I have said before, in a perfect world if elements from both sides of the political divide were used in the right measures, the country/world, would be a far better place.

Completely agree, and I said pretty much the same only yesterday:

I don't have a party I can fully support, so I've said many times that I think the best short term solution would be a coalition government taking the best (more honest) of all of them.

You really should try and read what I've said, not what you hope I've said.

[magpie_mania]

It was just the ones I highlighted were the ones that made me spit my coffee out with some gusto. There are obviously parts of the 'Establishment' that are right leaning, but far fewer these days I suggest. which is probably why our political parties are getting closer together.

Why do you automatically assume any one who has political views on the right of politics is a bad person. As I have said before, in a perfect world if elements from both sides of the political divide were used in the right measures, the country/world, would be a far better place. There is always somebody there to spoil things though, from both sides. Greed and jealousy are big human failings.

What would you say are the right measures?

Would it be a good %age of those on the right together with the rest from the left who agree with them?

It does seem to me that the left are accused on here of politics of jealousy too often - does that mean that the right are the ones mainly affected by greed? (My feeling is no).

I don't think that people should be categorised too much. It's possible to have both left and right leanings. Based on my voting in the past I guess that I would be seen as from the right although many of my values are more towards the left.

There's no doubt though that 'The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil'. Jealousy and greed are simply ways this is worked out.

[crazyfists]

Marcus you should know by now that unless you think like the Lefties do you are a bad person.

I have to the right friends and we discuss things then normally agree to disagree but find common ground on other issues. I just state my points on here then let the other poster speak and usually don't get into a battle as neither will win and it's good to respect others viewpoints. The part I find annoying is when people won't admit to an obvious fact and just say yeah well the other side did that or they will be the same.

After 13 years of the Tories where, to be fair, they have overseen some very poor behaviour not befitting the government. This means that yes they're going to get attacked from the left for their behaviour. If Labour get in then we shall see how they perform in response and if they do the same thing, I'll be the first to admit it's very poor from the ruling party.

It's the blanket, no they're wonderful, that is so infuriating. No one takes responsibility anymore, it's always someone else's fault.

[OchPie]

In all seriousness, this "de-banking" lark is something that really needs to be looked into and may well require some legislation to prevent it. Denying someone an account because of their political viewpoint is tantamount to impinging on people's freedom of speech, and that is certainly not good for any democracy. Seems it's affecting people of all political persuasions as well.

This is a great example of the Establishment in reality. For years, banks have been debanking Muslims. HSBC has been at the forefront. A journalist - very well known - had been working on an investigation on it for the Telegraph, and the story was killed by the editors and possibly owners in collaboration with one of the paper's biggest advertisers, HSBC.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ope...rom-telegraph/

If Farage were to stand up for these people and groups - if he had done so at the time, indeed - I would be impressed.

In the meantime, Farage could just take the NatWest account he's been repeatedly offered...

[since41]

In all seriousness, this "de-banking" lark is something that really needs to be looked into and may well require some legislation to prevent it. Denying someone an account because of their political viewpoint is tantamount to impinging on people's freedom of speech, and that is certainly not good for any democracy. Seems it's affecting people of all political persuasions as well.




https://www.theguardian.com/business...o-bank-account

It seems to be happening all over the world I'll check my six and tuppence in the P O.

https://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...rid=1866375576

[Magpies1959]

Och Pie, if you leave Farage out of this for a minute, are you not at all worried about people being de-banked. It could be the start of a slippery slope, if we do not put a stop to it and make sure it cannot happen in future.

crazyfists, by Lefties, I mean the radical ones. I accept that things under 13 years of Conservative government, have not been great, due to a number of things, some of which any government would have found challenging, and others of their stepping away from being true to the conservative ethos, seemingly trying to appease everybody and achieving the opposite, which has torn the party apart. My fear with Labour taking over is that they will just pander to the fashionable tiny minorities in society, instead of tackling the real working man's everyday problems.

magpie_mania, lol I haven't got a clue what the right measures are, but it sounded good when I typed it. They must be knocking about somewhere.