controversial thread so beware

[TANYA_]

when will the tipping point happen, it must be soon.

I cant speak for everyone but, i am massively tired of being the most endangered species on the planet.

The most endangered species on the planet are straight, white men who genuinely act right.

No matter what goes on in the world, straight, white men are to blame and if we have an opinion,

we need to shut the **** up and say nothing.

I have seen today articles on the Spanish bloke kissing the lady footballer on the lips

and the women have gone into meltdown. In a week its gone from

a bloke kissing a lady in the spirit of the occasion, he kissed her on the lips, he should be sacked, ***ual assault,

rape, prison, men are ruining the women's game!

I don't care what happens to the man in question, but FFS to label every MAN as being the reason he women's game is

crap is nonsense. Its not the first either, the George Floyd crap made white men a target,

the gay community have had their digs too.

I really don't give 2 ****s what anyone's religion, ***ual preference or colour is,

but ffs the line has to be drawn somewhere

Its genuinely getting to the stage where we cant talk to a lady or a person of colour

or gay without having a tape recorder

to prove innocence, as soon as one of them says we have mistreated them or

offended them we are ****ed


sorry about the rant but I'm really pissed off at my day

[Zippity]

First off, genuinely sorry you've had a shit day, man. I hope tomorrow is better.

The problem is, for straight, white men-and I'm in that group, too-we've had it our own way for too long.

What we're seeing in society at the minute is the pushing back of oppressed minorities-and rightly so, in my opinion.

Granted, it's gone too far in a lot of aspects but I think that's inevitable as other groups fight for the recognition they've been denied for, well, centuries.

Women, gay people, minorities of all hues have had it shit for so long that, now they've started to 'fight back', as it were, the folk getting it in the neck are the ones who've least been affected by centuries of oppression, namely, straight white blokes.

In my humble opinion, we're not facing anything like the oppression the afforementioned groups have faced and, for the time being, we have to suck it up until a balance and a compromise is reached.

i think, in terms of human rights for everyone, we're heading in the right direction and we'll achieve balance before too long. Until then, if we have to face a bit of discomfort compared to centuries of discrinination that the other groups have suffered-especially women-, I think that's a small price to pay.

I do get that my post won't garner a huge amount of sympathy on here-and that's ok. I'm certainly not having a go at you, Tanya...just my thoughts.


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[toptoon]

Good points on both sides. I just wish everyone would treat everyone else the same. Why we have to favour one group over another due to events in the past when we weren’t even born baffles me.
There was a woman on a domestic flight in Brazil who the stewardesses said had to check her hand luggage in coz it was too big. She refused, a large argument followed and then she started claiming discrimination because she was black. First off, she brought race into the argument, therefore, if anyone’s racist, it’s her. Of course, the media jumped in and claimed it shows how racism is alive and well in Brazil. I repeat, this had nothing to do with race or are we heading to a situation where no-one is allowed to say ‘no’ to someone from a minority?

[Cannylad]

I think Tanya is right on the money, I'm up to here walking on eggshells in case I might unknowingly slightly offend someone.

[TANYA_]

sorry for the rant last night guys, i was really pissed off and still am.

A close friend and colleague of mine has been sacked for having a view on Sarina Wiegman.

She was linked with taking over from Southgate last week

My friend simply said she would be out of her depth managing the men's team because its a completely different level and skillset.

Wiegman is accustom to working with players of a certain standard and motivating that group, and it was his opinion

that the same methods would be no good managing the men because they are multi millionaires and much higher quality.

A female colleague reported him saying she was offended by his ***ist remarks and he was insensitive to the gay community.

HE DIDNT SAY ANYTHING REMOTELY OFFENSIVE! i could honestly fo0king scream!

The HR department shlt themselves in my opinion.

4 of us that heard the conversation were dragged in by HR.

He was doomed from the start, they didn't want any context or background on what happened, HR simply asked blunt questions

"did he say this?" "did he say that"?

He has lost his job of 14 years, he's just bought a house and has 2 small kids at home.

The world has gone crazy. I went for a few drinks with him last night, he is in a proper state.

Then i got home last night and saw all that Spanish shlt and all the accusations spiralling out of control.

and im just like wow, this has gone too far.

Wasnt that long ago, another colleague was sacked for saying someone was a c*nt

corporate culture is genuinely having to walk on egg shells and keeping your mouth shut if you're white, straight and male


anyhow, i hope we get a win tomorrow

[Nufcian]

sorry for the rant last night guys, i was really pissed off and still am.

A close friend and colleague of mine has been sacked for having a view on Sarina Wiegman.

She was linked with taking over from Southgate last week

My friend simply said she would be out of her depth managing the men's team because its a completely different level and skillset.

Wiegman is accustom to working with players of a certain standard and motivating that group, and it was his opinion

that the same methods would be no good managing the men because they are multi millionaires and much higher quality.

A female colleague reported him saying she was offended by his ***ist remarks and he was insensitive to the gay community.

HE DIDNT SAY ANYTHING REMOTELY OFFENSIVE! i could honestly fo0king scream!

The HR department shlt themselves in my opinion.

4 of us that heard the conversation were dragged in by HR.

He was doomed from the start, they didn't want any context or background on what happened, HR simply asked blunt questions

"did he say this?" "did he say that"?

He has lost his job of 14 years, he's just bought a house and has 2 small kids at home.

The world has gone crazy. I went for a few drinks with him last night, he is in a proper state.

Then i got home last night and saw all that Spanish shlt and all the accusations spiralling out of control.

and im just like wow, this has gone too far.

Wasnt that long ago, another colleague was sacked for saying someone was a c*nt

corporate culture is genuinely having to walk on egg shells and keeping your mouth shut if you're white, straight and male


anyhow, i hope we get a win tomorrow

If that’s all he said then he should have no trouble winning legal proceedings for unfair dismissal.

The Spanish stuff, can’t agree with you… he was bang out of order and someone on such a high profile job can’t really get away with ‘euphoria’ as the excuse, and his use of the word ‘consensual’ dug his own grave.

As for a walking on eggshells, as before, what your mate said should never be the grounds for dismissal and am sure that legal advice would be the same… given that, are you sure you know everything that was said and raised in the proceedings? I don’t know who you work for, but I’m gobsmacked that any HR professional would think that was grounds for sacking, hearsay and rumour would have to be backed up… so either he has a clear case to take legal action or there is more to this that you are aware of? Not being funny or owt, just really baffled on it.

The rest of it, as Zip said… white straight culture has had it easy so long… minorities and gay communities were targeted openly in the UK not long ago, relatively sprawling, both in comments and physically (and it still happens I am sure), so the pendulum will swing too far maybe till it settles, but I never worry too much about what I say or do as a straight white man, but I would feel comfortable in openly asking ‘WTF’ if a mate was sacked for the words you quoted, so understand where you are coming from.

[TANYA_]

If that’s all he said then he should have no trouble winning legal proceedings for unfair dismissal.

The Spanish stuff, can’t agree with you… he was bang out of order and someone on such a high profile job can’t really get away with ‘euphoria’ as the excuse, and his use of the word ‘consensual’ dug his own grave.

As for a walking on eggshells, as before, what your mate said should never be the grounds for dismissal and am sure that legal advice would be the same… given that, are you sure you know everything that was said and raised in the proceedings? I don’t know who you work for, but I’m gobsmacked that any HR professional would think that was grounds for sacking, hearsay and rumour would have to be backed up… so either he has a clear case to take legal action or there is more to this that you are aware of? Not being funny or owt, just really baffled on it.

The rest of it, as Zip said… white straight culture has had it easy so long… minorities and gay communities were targeted openly in the UK not long ago, relatively sprawling, both in comments and physically (and it still happens I am sure), so the pendulum will swing too far maybe till it settles, but I never worry too much about what I say or do as a straight white man, but I would feel comfortable in openly asking ‘WTF’ if a mate was sacked for the words you quoted, so understand where you are coming from.

i was there mate, i heard the entire thing.

I'm shocked you don't thin HR can be unprofessional.

He will 100% take it to tribunal and no doubt receive compo but he will never get his job back.

The Spain thing is the blokes own fault,

but my point is, it was a massive error of judgement by him, and playing devils advocate,

he may have just been swept up in euphoria. I don't believe he set out to do it or planned it before kick off.

The comments i was reading were utterly disgusting,

they started off as he needed to apologise, to it becoming harassment, then ***ual assault! to rape!! WTF


this is the culture we have set ourselves, i made a joke after a meeting once and even though everyone present

was old school and all laughed, i still felt nervous afterwards in case there was a snowflake present.

[GBruno]

I’m with TANYA, generally speaking.

The problem we have now is that collectivism is the the predominant mindset. We hardly see each other as individuals anymore. We are seeing it in this very thread. Straight white men have had it their own way for too long? It’s more collectivism. I may be a straight white man, but I am not part of any group of straight white men. What men have done throughout history is irrelevant to me as an individual.

Most of the hysteria is driven by a Marxist agenda and the mob have jumped onto it without even realising what they are promoting. People like to feel like victims.

Hardly anyone living in the West can genuinely say they are oppressed.
A woman paid well for kicking a ball around feels she’s oppressed because some bellend kissed her? Hardly. He shouldn’t have done it though.

In the book Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, the producers (industrialists, engineers, entrepreneurs, farmers etc) of society are being shat on my socialist policies, so they all just stop producing and say **** it. Society starts to crumble and everyone comes running back to the producers. But it’s too late. Society is on its knees because it didn’t value the producers.

It’s getting to the point where many of us just need to say **** it. Let women try to build a multi billion football industry by themselves. Let a feminised society build infrastructure by itself, let it produce its own food, let it take care of its own sewage etc etc. Masculinity needs to be valued, not demonised.

TANYA, if you can, quit working for your current employer. They sound like slime.

I don’t owe women, ethnic minorities or LGBTQ people a god damn thing. In my mind, these groups don’t exist anyway.

Only individuals exist. Only individuals matter. As soon as you start talking about groups, you deny the existence of the individual. It’s pure Marxism and it’s the most destructive thing In the word.

[TANYA_]

good points mate.

I'm lucky enough to have a job that i actually love, but the people are what ruins it.

It is society on a whole that has gotten out of control in my eyes.

I mentioned earlier that i had made a joke after a meeting and i felt uneasy afterwards because of possible

repercussions to the extent of me losing my livelihood, even though there was absolutely no malice.

Luckily for me, it was taken in good spirits and not a single person was offended.

The lad who lost his job for using the C word

the lad who lost his job for having an opinion on the England ladies manager etc. Its a situation where

people are uneasy and paying the price for what others have done historically or a new agenda

that's being hit hard in the world.

I genuinely think a lot of the people who complain about being offended, like the girl from work,

they only do it because they can and they are just nasty people.

Would there have been the same level of outrage if the roles were reversed.

Imagine if Newcastle won the FA Cup, and during the celebrations,

Amanda Stavely grabbed Eddie Howe or one of the players and gave him a smacker on the lips, would the players all

demand they wont play again until she was removed from her role?

Would the male fan base want her charged with ***ual assault?

THERES the context and double standards

[Sclox]

I will not be held accountable and punished for white mens acts from the past. I refuse to accept responsiblility for a load of perceived injustices carried out in the past by my demographic.

No positive discrimination or "rebalancing". How about this for an idea, equality and fairness for all going forward without any vindictive point scoring. This PC cnts are just as bad as the bigots and as a result the white, middle aged man today is an innocent, under represented, and hunted breed.