Official Sam Nombe is here

[Nardendee]

I didn't make any counterfactual claims about what would have happened if Warne had stayed, I merely pointed out the club record under MT is not good enough

The form over MT's 40 league and 44 league and cup games is bottom of the league form, even with the win over Norwich, even with the most expensive team in the club's history
If we hadn't had such a good start under Warne, then the MT results last season would have taken us down
just looking at league games MT's record for us is now P 40, 36 points, GD -22
That's what I'm judging him on

That said, I'll say again that I think that defence and midfield is good enough to stay up this season

Given the quality of opposition at the level we are and the respective budgets, also taking into account our injuries, I would say we have done pretty well.

You know what they say about statistics. There are lies, damn lies and statistics. Same as all this Xg and possession nonsense. The brief is to keep us up and keep building. On that basis I would say he has done and is doing, an excellent job.

[Citizen Erased]

That’s an opinion not a fact.

Nope. The form he had WAS relegation form. No opinion on it, them be facts of it.

I just don't get this idea that we've had a managerial upgrade. Form did not improve but went began to go backwards last season, including after January.

Am I against Taylor? No. Do I think he's a better Manager than Warne? Maybe, maybe not. This season is his season and I for one want him to be here regardless of what happens at the end of it. If we were to go down I'd still keep him on.

However, had the results been Warnes from the day he left to go to Derby to today.... The ones currently making out as though we are suddenly Brazil would be screaming for the managers head.

[millertop]

Nope. The form he had WAS relegation form. No opinion on it, them be facts of it.

I just don't get this idea that we've had a managerial upgrade. Form did not improve but went began to go backwards last season, including after January.

Am I against Taylor? No. Do I think he's a better Manager than Warne? Maybe, maybe not. This season is his season and I for one want him to be here regardless of what happens at the end of it. If we were to go down I'd still keep him on.

However, had the results been Warnes from the day he left to go to Derby to today.... The ones currently making out as though we are suddenly Brazil would be screaming for the managers head.

Maybe some remember the injuries we had and had to throw anybody on pitch.

I honestly can’t believe that anyone wouldn’t be happy with the newsigning.

SUPER MATTY TAYLOR

[millersrus]

Nope. The form he had WAS relegation form. No opinion on it, them be facts of it.

I just don't get this idea that we've had a managerial upgrade. Form did not improve but went began to go backwards last season, including after January.

Am I against Taylor? No. Do I think he's a better Manager than Warne? Maybe, maybe not. This season is his season and I for one want him to be here regardless of what happens at the end of it. If we were to go down I'd still keep him on.

However, had the results been Warnes from the day he left to go to Derby to today.... The ones currently making out as though we are suddenly Brazil would be screaming for the managers head.

See my reply to Walt above…. No relegation form.

[gru]

" greetings this is uncle Sam he's here to take us to an uncharted land "



Got the pace to do it needs to start. Way I'm looking at it we have Dext & Cafu down the right. Fred or Green on the left with Hugill & Sam up front.

[Citizen Erased]

Maybe some remember the injuries we had and had to throw anybody on pitch.

I honestly can’t believe that anyone wouldn’t be happy with the newsigning.

SUPER MATTY TAYLOR

Where have I said I am not?

As for injuries, the ones remembering now are the ones forgetting the injuries in relegation seasons too.

[millertop]

Where have I said I am not?

As for injuries, the ones remembering now are the ones forgetting the injuries in relegation seasons too.

The transfers in and out have been astonishingly poor is what you’ve said on a previous thread so are you now saying different?

No I haven’t forgot the few injuries that wasn’t what relegated us, the mistakes relegated us

[millertop]

Think I might make a second account and see if anyone’s notices.

Im a way for a few days now or am I

[DerekMiller]

Whilst I appreciate that this is a forum and discussion about our past manager vs our current one makes for excellent healthy debate, I just do not understand why there is this disconnect between fans that you're either a Warne fan or a Taylor one. Like we need to pick a side and show loyalty for one or the other.

I could understand it if we had sacked Warne and then brought Taylor in as his replacement. Because that would the the club making a statement of intent that Warne wasn't/isn't the man for the job and the club believe Taylor is an upgrade.

But thats not the case. Warne made his choice and left, we had a vacancy to fill. Warne will always be a legend in my eyes and I've got so many fond memories of his tenure in charge, some of my happiest as a Miller. But Taylor didn't replace Warne, Taylor filled a vacancy.

They are both young and upcoming managers with different styles and different tactics. For me, it's as simple as last season Rotherham United had two managers and their combined efforts kept us up. If that means I have splinters in my arse from sitting on the fence then so be it, but it's the truth.

This season it's all on Taylor. His signings, his style. I'm liking what I see so far. Liking what Taylor is doing is absolutely no dig at what Warne was doing. So lets keep the debate healthy because it keeps the forum alive but I just do not see the need for the divide.

UTM

[CAMiller]

Whilst I appreciate that this is a forum and discussion about our past manager vs our current one makes for excellent healthy debate, I just do not understand why there is this disconnect between fans that you're either a Warne fan or a Taylor one. Like we need to pick a side and show loyalty for one or the other.

I could understand it if we had sacked Warne and then brought Taylor in as his replacement. Because that would the the club making a statement of intent that Warne wasn't/isn't the man for the job and the club believe Taylor is an upgrade.

But thats not the case. Warne made his choice and left, we had a vacancy to fill. Warne will always be a legend in my eyes and I've got so many fond memories of his tenure in charge, some of my happiest as a Miller. But Taylor didn't replace Warne, Taylor filled a vacancy.

They are both young and upcoming managers with different styles and different tactics. For me, it's as simple as last season Rotherham United had two managers and their combined efforts kept us up. If that means I have splinters in my arse from sitting on the fence then so be it, but it's the truth.

This season it's all on Taylor. His signings, his style. I'm liking what I see so far. Liking what Taylor is doing is absolutely no dig at what Warne was doing. So lets keep the debate healthy because it keeps the forum alive but I just do not see the need for the divide.

UTM

Well said Derek. The same could be said about the Smith v Hugill debate. Smudge was a very good player for RUFC obtained at a bargain price, gave 100% and eventually decided it was time to move on. Some can even forgive him for where he went. Jordan was a marquee signing and came to us at a time where many players wouldn't even look at RUFC. He's not had the greatest of starts but at the moment he's the manager's choice. Why do people insist on beating him down week after week?