Careless Tories!

[Trickytreesreds]

I’m not disagreeing with you. Just surprised you’ve defended you know who as much as you have if you really believe that sentence about public office.

As for teaching. I do know a headmaster who was found guilty of murder...he’ll never be released so I guess being sacked/banned doesn’t arise.
Beyond that, lots of teachers, including myself, who’ve been done for speeding (breaking the law) which has made no difference, although had they gone on to pervert the course of justice I’d think/hope their jobs would have been at risk.
Possibly more relevantly I can think of two who were done for drinking and driving. One I’d actually sent home once previously because he arrived - due to take a mini bus of kids out - stinking of the previous night’s booze...he kept his job after a period of suspension following his conviction. The other kept his job (officially) but couldn’t in practice because, following his ban, he couldn’t get to work on time.

On the other hand...I do know of two very respectable business people who’ve kept their licences by underhand and illegal means which possibly begs the question...should it just be applied to those in ‘public office’?

I made the comment which you applied to drink driving, knowing that had a prison officer got done for that, he'd 99% be sacked. Compromised would be the word used.

When I talk about public office. Anyone who had been elected into a post by the public, has breached the trust the public put in them. Consequently, you cannot trust them to not breach anything else. Banned seems logical to me.

As for your business people, they probably have already broken a criminal law, that the police have to act on if proved. Their employers though, aren't in such muddy waters as public services and professional positions.

[Trickytreesreds]

I went into a failing organisation once and pretty son discovered why it was failing, as most of the mangers and a lot of staff were on the take. It was simple but painful to turn around and didn't make me Mr Popular, but there we are, humans will often give in to temptation.

Whoah, you went into a business and found a "pretty son" !!!
Too much info dude, keep it off line.

[swaledale]

Whoah, you went into a business and found a "pretty son" !!!
Too much info dude, keep it off line.

Not as pretty as you eh?

[ramAnag]

I applied it to drink driving because, generally speaking, it - along with speeding, parking fines and failing to remember to purchase a TV licence - are the only examples of teachers breaking the law that I can claim any knowledge of.

We’re going off topic but it’s interesting where you draw the line. Those ‘business people’ I spoke of have, without doubt, broken the law but I’m unsure of what your last sentence implies. Are you suggesting that those in public service (teachers, doctors, nurses etc.) along with those in ‘professional positions’ should be more accountable for their personal behaviour than those who are not?

[Geoff Parkstone]

I think people expect higher standards of those in the professions - lawyers, accountants, doctors, dentists etc and probably expect similar standards of their public figures, be they MPs, councillors, judges or Lords.

There is a less rigorous expectation of the white collar carers - teachers, nurses, social work but, as they are public facing individuals there are still standard expected. Obviously those who drive for a job are in a realm of their own.

"Business" is a huge mixed bag form the extremes of bankers to delboys. Actually no they are the same thing. TBH I don't care if my plumber or fruit n veg vendor has a motoring offence. So how do we unbundle business into those who should be in a position of utmost trust and those where it's no issue.

Then of course there are religious leaders....

[ramAnag]

I think people expect higher standards of those in the professions - lawyers, accountants, doctors, dentists etc and probably expect similar standards of their public figures, be they MPs, councillors, judges or Lords.

There is a less rigorous expectation of the white collar carers - teachers, nurses, social work but, as they are public facing individuals there are still standard expected. Obviously those who drive for a job are in a realm of their own.

"Business" is a huge mixed bag form the extremes of bankers to delboys. Actually no they are the same thing. TBH I don't care if my plumber or fruit n veg vendor has a motoring offence. So how do we unbundle business into those who should be in a position of utmost trust and those where it's no issue.

Then of course there are religious leaders....

Interesting isn’t it...and I’m honestly not referring to you and don’t mean this at all personally...but I suspect accountants and solicitors probably ‘enjoy’ a similar degree of public (mis) trust to current politicians, on the basis that every ‘successful’ crook will know a lawyer who knows all the tricks of hiding the truth and an accountant with similar knowledge of hiding the money.

[swaledale]

Has Sunak totally lost it? Promoting Grant Shapps or is it Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox? Names which he has allegedly used over the years, to defence secretary is utterly bizarre. Its his 5th cabinet post in under 12 months, which just shows you how utterly ****ed the Tories are as a party of government!. But in all his other jobs he has been utterly useless.

This post though is a critical one, it requires somebody with a degree of understanding of the Armed Forces and a semblance of competence.

[SithHappens]

They aren't even treading water. We need a government with a mandate to govern. You can't have 2 changes of PM and have that.

Sadly the other lot, in my opinion, don't offer much more, its why I hope at least we get a hung parliament so we get a labdem coalition.

The only downside of that is Davey would likely be deputy PM and while I don't have an issue with that it would mean Raynor loses out, and in my opinion she would make a better leader than starmer.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Has Sunak totally lost it? Promoting Grant Shapps or is it Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox? Names which he has allegedly used over the years, to defence secretary is utterly bizarre. Its his 5th cabinet post in under 12 months, which just shows you how utterly ****ed the Tories are as a party of government!. But in all his other jobs he has been utterly useless.

This post though is a critical one, it requires somebody with a degree of understanding of the Armed Forces and a semblance of competence.

But surely a man leading a military department who has many aliases is the ideal minister. They seek him here, the seek hime there, that elusive minister. My name is Schapps, Grant Green

[swaledale]

And now we ahve the schools crisis where the Minister responsible moans that nobody has praised her for the "good" job she is doing and that despite being a member of the government which it seems ignored for years the need to address known issues in schools reckons its "nothing to do with her". Jeeze how do these people get to such dizzy heights?

Sunak of course is really in it, because despite his protestations, he admitted only agreeing to fund building programmes for 50 schools, when at least 200 was required and 100 were in the original programme. Not that they ahve managed the 50 a year!!