O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[BanjoPie]

I think it's great that the Tories have the answers to all of our problems.

If only they had been in charge for the last 13 years.

If only they knew how to be in charge!

[Elite_Pie]

Sunak knows he can't keep doing more of the same because it hasn't worked, so he has to gamble. He doesn't know where to put his chips though, because wherever he puts them he will upset half of his own party because they are so divided.

This conference seems more like an application process to replace him.

[OP67]

Sunak knows he can't keep doing more of the same because it hasn't worked, so he has to gamble. He doesn't know where to put his chips though, because wherever he puts them he will upset half of his own party because they are so divided.

This conference seems more like an application process to replace him.

The same can be said for Labour with Starmer. When he became leader he wanted to be Corbyn and now he wants to be Blair. Both parties are split but that will be more of an issue for Labour in the next election. Personally at the moment neither will be getting my vote.

[Kent Magpie]

The same can be said for Labour with Starmer. When he became leader he wanted to be Corbyn and now he wants to be Blair. Both parties are split but that will be more of an issue for Labour in the next election. Personally at the moment neither will be getting my vote.

Starmer always wanted to be Blair but needed to be Corbyn to get to the leadership. Corbyn was an idealist who was happy to be in opposition, but true to his beliefs. Starmer is pragmatic, knowing that you can't change anything without being in power (something Blair understood too, but relatively few labour leaders do). I think that he has largely quietened down the left as the party is ahead in the polls. I don't think he has healed the splits long term though, and they will come back in time. In the same way, some leader will bring the Tories back under control at some point (and as a party they are much better at doing that) ad the roles will be reversed.

With all these factions it is almost like the worst aspects of Proportional Representation without the benefits. At the moment small factions in both main parties hold significant influence, but it is neither proportional or representative. Going to a proper Proportional Representative system would really help and it is about time we caught up with modern democracies.

[OP67]

Starmer always wanted to be Blair but needed to be Corbyn to get to the leadership. Corbyn was an idealist who was happy to be in opposition, but true to his beliefs. Starmer is pragmatic, knowing that you can't change anything without being in power (something Blair understood too, but relatively few labour leaders do). I think that he has largely quietened down the left as the party is ahead in the polls. I don't think he has healed the splits long term though, and they will come back in time. In the same way, some leader will bring the Tories back under control at some point (and as a party they are much better at doing that) ad the roles will be reversed.

With all these factions it is almost like the worst aspects of Proportional Representation without the benefits. At the moment small factions in both main parties hold significant influence, but it is neither proportional or representative. Going to a proper Proportional Representative system would really help and it is about time we caught up with modern democracies.

Polls don't mean a great deal though just look at the Brexit polls. The thought of Starmer, Rayner, Thornberry and Lammy being in power gives me the shivers!!!