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[The AuldYin]

Tibbets was a military pilot carrying out orders. He had no regrets because that was his job - he said it ended the war, and it did as far as the war with Japan was concerned, but he never said that dropping the bomb on Hiroshima was necessary.

Saved millions of lives? Prove that one.

Tibbets insisted that "the nuclear obliteration of Hiroshima (and Nagasaki, destroyed by a second atomic bomb just three days later) was absolutely necessary to bring about Japanese surrender before a bloody American invasion of the Japanese home islands" Many Americans agree.

They reckon Japan was killing 100,000 a week between war fronts with the Allies and the occupancy of most of Asia, the fact that the bomb saved millions of lives is undeniable.

[BCram]

Tibbets insisted that "the nuclear obliteration of Hiroshima (and Nagasaki, destroyed by a second atomic bomb just three days later) was absolutely necessary to bring about Japanese surrender before a bloody American invasion of the Japanese home islands" Many Americans agree.

They reckon Japan was killing 100,000 a week between war fronts with the Allies and the occupancy of most of Asia, the fact that the bomb saved millions of lives is undeniable.

Agree. But if Japan had had the same weapon the first deployment might have killed millions more because of retaliation by Japan.

To go back to Israel, the Israelis are not going to achieve peace if they simply flatten Gaza and drive out all Palestinian Arabs. They have an implacable foe and a political settlement cannot be reached imo.

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Tibbets insisted that "the nuclear obliteration of Hiroshima (and Nagasaki, destroyed by a second atomic bomb just three days later) was absolutely necessary to bring about Japanese surrender before a bloody American invasion of the Japanese home islands" Many Americans agree.

They reckon Japan was killing 100,000 a week between war fronts with the Allies and the occupancy of most of Asia, the fact that the bomb saved millions of lives is undeniable.

Tibbets was a pilot not a politician, it really wasn't for him to say the attack, or attacks, were necessary - he was just following orders and it was somebody else that deemed his actions necessary. I kind of admire his loyalty in sticking to the script but strongly suspect that he'll have taken more than a bit of regret for his involvement to the grave. That's only my opinion by the way.

It's very easy to argue that dropping the bombs didn't save millions of lives, simply because there's no way to prove it. Your argument that it did is based purely on assumption. What's undeniable is that over 200,000 people, mostly innocent civilians with no direct involvement in the war, died as a direct result of those bombs.

Celebrate that if you like and celebrate the deaths of thousands in Gaza. But as someone who's been just a bit too close to an actual war I choose never to do so.

[Deeranged]

To go back to Israel, the Israelis are not going to achieve peace if they simply flatten Gaza and drive out all Palestinian Arabs. They have an implacable foe and a political settlement cannot be reached imo.

The only thing that can be achieved is escalation. Hezbollah have already killed a civilian and Iran has started rattling sabres - Iran gets involved so does America.

One thing that this has achieved of course is to take focus away from Ukraine - remember there's a war going on there?

Russia rolls into Ukraine and kills innocent civilians baaaaad, Israel rolls into Gaza and kills innocent civilians goooood.

[noahrab]

The only thing that can be achieved is escalation. Hezbollah have already killed a civilian and Iran has started rattling sabres - Iran gets involved so does America.

One thing that this has achieved of course is to take focus away from Ukraine - remember there's a war going on there?

Russia rolls into Ukraine and kills innocent civilians baaaaad, Israel rolls into Gaza and kills innocent civilians goooood.

Israel are responding.

Russia weren’t.

[BCram]

The only thing that can be achieved is escalation. Hezbollah have already killed a civilian and Iran has started rattling sabres - Iran gets involved so does America.

One thing that this has achieved of course is to take focus away from Ukraine - remember there's a war going on there?

Russia rolls into Ukraine and kills innocent civilians baaaaad, Israel rolls into Gaza and kills innocent civilians goooood.

Where have you seen anyone make a statement as your final sentence?

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Where have you seen anyone make a statement as your final sentence?

Just a general observation from MSM. We're encouraged to support Ukraine as an oppressed nation under attack from Russia forgetting of course that the Ukrainians had been prodding Russia for years before the invasion but are then encouraged to support the excessive response of Israel to the Hamas mini invasion. All sides are killing civilians, including children - that's what war does though.

Best not to take sides and, for me at least, best not to say that the end justifies the means as innocent people are slaughtered in their beds.

[The AuldYin]

Tibbets was a pilot not a politician, it really wasn't for him to say the attack, or attacks, were necessary - he was just following orders and it was somebody else that deemed his actions necessary. I kind of admire his loyalty in sticking to the script but strongly suspect that he'll have taken more than a bit of regret for his involvement to the grave. That's only my opinion by the way.

It's very easy to argue that dropping the bombs didn't save millions of lives, simply because there's no way to prove it. Your argument that it did is based purely on assumption. What's undeniable is that over 200,000 people, mostly innocent civilians with no direct involvement in the war, died as a direct result of those bombs.

Celebrate that if you like and celebrate the deaths of thousands in Gaza. But as someone who's been just a bit too close to an actual war I choose never to do so.

Doesn't matter if it was his job to say it or not he said it and he also said he slept "clearly every night" so where do you get the opinion that he didn't? The fact that the Japanese were killing people up till the dropping of the bomb then they weren't is good enough for the sane mind to think that the bomb influenced them a bit. The invasion of the Japanese mainland was next and there's no indication (unless you know better of course) that the slaughter that happened in Iwo Jima and Okinawa was going to be any less. Read this I'm telling you the mass slaughter of innocent civilians saved millions of lives.

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[islaydarkblue]

Immediately after 9/11 I said to relatives, friends and colleagues that the next big world war will be the Muslims versus the rest of the world and I see no reason to change my mind.
Hitler is the root cause of this problem as a result of his attempts to exterminate all the Jews living in Europe.
The fall of the Shan of Iran has resulted in Iran supporting the terrorist groups Hamas and Hezbollah

[BCram]

Agree with you that some elements who claim to be Muslims do create a threat. At the moment it seems to me that Israel is a lightning conductor the world.