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[Redshank]

Is this comedy?

No, reality.

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I hear you Shanks, but you get equally adamant hard rightists saying with equal conviction that the current Tory government have dragged the 'middle ground' off to the left. Fire's reply just now being a great case in point! Who's right, you or him? Both of you will cry 'Me' but possibly the answer is somewhere in the middle, and perhaps the BBC reflect that, angering left and right in equal measures.

Behave...and get them splinters out of your arris.
One example. In 2017 Corbyn, as head of a left wing opposition, forced right wing May & Co into argument and making commitments on social care, care for the elderly. It was high on the agenda of political discussion at the time. There were other examples. It was all over the BBC. It's not now.

[great_fire]

No, reality.

I can't remember that last time they were right-wing, never mind hard right.

They're Lib Dems with blue rosettes.

[ragingpup]

Behave...and get them splinters out of your arris.
One example. In 2017 Corbyn, as head of a left wing opposition, forced right wing May & Co into argument and making commitments on social care, care for the elderly. It was high on the agenda of political discussion at the time. There were other examples. It was all over the BBC. It's not now.

The so called Overton Window isn't it? As a left leaning person I probably will always agree that this is how it looks to me, as I guess it always will when a more further left opposition forces those arguments into the public argument. However, we have a softer left opposition that is not doing that with a view to actually getting elected, something that Corbyn et all failed to do. Swings and roundabouts!

However, whilst I would agree with you that this is how it looks through my personal lens, when it comes to arguing a definite bias against the Beeb, I don't agree that the evidence is all that. For every one on the left that posts evidence of right wing bias, you get just as many on the right that post exactly the same. Sorry about taking the fence position, but perhaps the view is better up here?

[great_fire]

Seeing as New labour were more right-wing than the current Tory government I'd say the Overton Window has moved to the left.

[ragingpup]

I can't remember that last time they were right-wing, never mind hard right.

They're Lib Dems with blue rosettes.

Fire, I think that Farage will be seen as centre left to you!

[great_fire]

Fire, I think that Farage will be seen as centre left to you!

Blunkett was much tougher than "all words no action" likes of Patel and Braverman.

[ragingpup]

Seeing as New labour were more right-wing than the current Tory government I'd say the Overton Window has moved to the left.

Do you think so?

1. They hugely increased employment across the third sector that was dependent on government spending.
2. They created a national minimum wage and a tax credits system benefitting the low paid halted the remorseless march of inequality that had so scarred Britain in the 1980s. Some focused interventions, for instance on rough sleeping, returned life-changing results for many. The numbers of people sleeping out on England’s streets on any given night fell from 1,850 in 1998 to 440 in 2010.
3. School performance improved markedly, especially at the bottom of the attainment distribution – and, in London, at an astonishing rate. 4. NHS inpatient waiting lists fell from 13 weeks to four weeks between March 1997 and March 2009. The public noticed, as perceptions of school performance and NHS performance shot up.

Discussed more fully here (Guardian I know but the points made above are the thing): https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eft-tony-blair

In what way is the 2019+ government more left wing than that?

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The so called Overton Window isn't it? As a left leaning person I probably will always agree that this is how it looks to me, as I guess it always will when a more further left opposition forces those arguments into the public argument. However, we have a softer left opposition that is not doing that with a view to actually getting elected, something that Corbyn et all failed to do. Swings and roundabouts!

However, whilst I would agree with you that this is how it looks through my personal lens, when it comes to arguing a definite bias against the Beeb, I don't agree that the evidence is all that. For every one on the left that posts evidence of right wing bias, you get just as many on the right that post exactly the same. Sorry about taking the fence position, but perhaps the view is better up here?

Overton window my Arsenal!

"The Overton window is the range of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time."

We've had two useless PMs imposed on us. Truss was full of right wing monetarist ideology that the electorate neither wanted nor voted for. She wasn't "acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time" but the beeb normalised her tenure. She was embarassingly bad. Same with Sunak.

Better view up there?...more like head in clouds

[ragingpup]

Overton window my Arsenal!

"The Overton window is the range of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time."

We've had two useless PMs imposed on us. Truss was full of right wing monetarist ideology that the electorate neither wanted nor voted for. She wasn't "acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time" but the beeb normalised her tenure. She was embarassingly bad. Same with Sunak.

Better view up there?...more like head in clouds

Be-atch!

My take from the clouds is that yes, the Been widely reported he policies which were enacted by a politician democratically elected by her own swivel eyed loons, and whilst not by GenPub, was still enabled by the political system. Of course it would be widely discussed in the new, Beeb and all others, just as so called far left policies were more in view with a so called far left opposition. I would say that the BBC is just reporting on the political landscape before it, be that put forward with left or right leans, and generally speaking does well by the measuring stick of enraging activists within both flanks. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Fancy a bowl of soup?