Tonali

[Tutfoster1892]

4,2,3,1 in order. Number 4 is a whole different discussion and shouldn't come into this debate.

I know I might get flack when I say this but I don't care about the illegal betting at all. I care more about the non disclosure of it when we signed him but for all we know it was disclosed and kept quiet.

I support him and the club. There are much worse things going on in the world to get upset about.

Basically yes..

I'm not going to hate on a player just because he made a mistake with illegal betting....

[HughieG]

Basically yes..

I'm not going to hate on a player just because he made a mistake with illegal betting....

Me neither - unless he knowingly put the club in a problematic situation by coming here and leaving Milan. Even so, he still deserves forgiveness if he puts in the maximum effort to get back and fight for the shirt.

Still a lot of details missing on this one.

[toptoon]

Not sure why he deserves forgiveness? What do the footballers who loved gambling but stopped because they became footballers deserve?
Sign of the times in the West - full attention on the perpetrator of the ‘crime’ in a ‘holier than thou’ rush to be the first to defend and offer forgiveness.
The party that’s been wronged in all this is NUFC. I want what’s best for the club going forward. If that means giving Tonali full support then so be it. Footballers these days put themselves first and clubs second. Our club should do the same.

[Tutfoster1892]

Not sure why he deserves forgiveness? What do the footballers who loved gambling but stopped because they became footballers deserve?
Sign of the times in the West - full attention on the perpetrator of the ‘crime’ in a ‘holier than thou’ rush to be the first to defend and offer forgiveness.
The party that’s been wronged in all this is NUFC. I want what’s best for the club going forward. If that means giving Tonali full support then so be it. Footballers these days put themselves first and clubs second. Our club should do the same.

I get what you are saying..

But what I will say is, I put myself before my employer.. I wouldn't blame any footballer for doing the same

[HughieG]

Sign of the times in the West - full attention on the perpetrator of the ‘crime’ in a ‘holier than thou’ rush to be the first to defend and offer forgiveness.

Sorry TT, that has nothing to do with this case and is far off the mark. Disagree with your analysis completely here.

Each to their own!

[Sclox]

According to Fabiana Della Valle Tonali has played his last game before a suspension of around 18 months.They also claim that Tonali will not receive a salary during the suspension and may be banned from training with the first-team, with a fine also coming his way.

Serious punishment that like.

[toptoon]

I get what you are saying..

But what I will say is, I put myself before my employer.. I wouldn't blame any footballer for doing the same

Exactly. Nor would you blame an employer for doing the same, especially when the employee has broken the law.

[toptoon]

Sorry TT, that has nothing to do with this case and is far off the mark. Disagree with your analysis completely here.

Each to their own!

I think it does. Many are saying: ‘he’s only 23, just a kid’, ‘it’s only one mistake’ and ‘it’s not his fault, it’s an addiction’. While I agree partially with the latter, you could also say: ‘he’s a millionaire and could’ve paid the best specialists to help him IF he’d wanted to’. My take is that he thought his betting wasn’t traceable back to him through these sites and so broke the rules on purpose. He was let down by his mate who’s a grass.
These players are hugely privileged and need to carry some responsibility.

[Cannylad]

Not sure why he deserves forgiveness? What do the footballers who loved gambling but stopped because they became footballers deserve?
Sign of the times in the West - full attention on the perpetrator of the ‘crime’ in a ‘holier than thou’ rush to be the first to defend and offer forgiveness.
The party that’s been wronged in all this is NUFC. I want what’s best for the club going forward. If that means giving Tonali full support then so be it. Footballers these days put themselves first and clubs second. Our club should do the same.

With you 100% on that, why do we all have to walk on eggshells around certain players in fear of offending them. Tonali screwed up royally and he has admitted that, the biggest loser here is Newcastle Utd. He needs to get his head down now and prepare to come back after his ban, whatever that may be, as a better player. I'm sure he will be forgiven by the vast majority of fans.

[Ragatino]

According to Fabiana Della Valle Tonali has played his last game before a suspension of around 18 months.They also claim that Tonali will not receive a salary during the suspension and may be banned from training with the first-team, with a fine also coming his way.

Serious punishment that like.

Ivor Toney was caught for exactly the same 'crime' / 'breach of the rules'. Toney Bet on Brentford to win in games he played in. Toney got an 8 month ban. In legal terms this is called 'Setting a precedent.'

Any similar 'crime' / 'breach of the rules' committed by other players after that day - i.e. Tonali - is subject to exactly the same punishment.

Should Tonali receive a longer ban or harsher punishment than Toney the club has the legal right to appeal the sentence.

The will appeal and they will win the appeal as the precedent has been set in the Toney case & also the Fagioli lad also got 7 months. Yes, he was the grass so his sentence will be potentially lighter, however, a legal precedent is a legal precedent. Any good lawyer - Cue Mr Nick DeMarco, still on retainer with NUFC to step into action and sort this Sh!t out for the club.

Him or one of his equally excellent fellows at Blackstone Chambers will ensure that Tonali get's the shortest sentence possible on the clubs behalf.

Today Tonali's agent hinted that the punishment will be just but will be light. So I don't believe we'll be without Tonali for more than the rest of this season. Inshallah we'll see him back by September 2024