O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Old_pie]

Can't see Boris getting back in myself.

I see Starmer is failing in his attempts to control his troops.

[Elite_Pie]

I see Starmer is failing in his attempts to control his troops.

He is, but failing to control his troops when he doesn't make the decisions is very different to having a hopelessly divided party when your job is to make the decisions.

I see the Tories have pissed £140 million up the wall on Rwanda so far.

And a whole lot more on HS2, where we're talking billions!

[JoePass]

He is, but failing to control his troops when he doesn't make the decisions is very different to having a hopelessly divided party when your job is to make the decisions.

I see the Tories have pissed £140 million up the wall on Rwanda so far.

And a whole lot more on HS2, where we're talking billions!

Deflection, deflection, a much used Labour tactic, unfortunately it will not work. I am loving the comedy show tonight on GB News, get the popcorn out.

[BigFatPie]

Deflection, deflection, a much used Labour tactic, unfortunately it will not work. I am loving the comedy show tonight on GB News, get the popcorn out.

Laugh at this racist.


Westminster voting intention

📈27pt Labour lead

🌹 Lab 46% (+2)
🌳 Con 19% (-4)
🔶 Lib Dem 9% (-1)
➡️ Reform 10% (+2)
🌍 Greens 8% (+1)
🎗️ SNP 5% (+1)

Via @FindoutnowUK
2,198 GB adults, 13-14 Nov

[Kent Magpie]

Laugh at this racist.


Westminster voting intention

27pt Labour lead

 Lab 46% (+2)
 Con 19% (-4)
 Lib Dem 9% (-1)
➡️ Reform 10% (+2)
 Greens 8% (+1)
️ SNP 5% (+1)

Via @FindoutnowUK
2,198 GB adults, 13-14 Nov

Interesting.... The SNP at the bottom of that pile is likely to get more seats than any of the above except Labour and Tory who are likely to be very close despite the large gap in the poll. It seems to me that this demonstrates all that is wrong with our voting system... mind you the alternative is likely to give a disproportionate voice to the likes of Reform.

[Newish Pie]

Interesting.... The SNP at the bottom of that pile is likely to get more seats than any of the above except Labour and Tory who are likely to be very close despite the large gap in the poll. It seems to me that this demonstrates all that is wrong with our voting system... mind you the alternative is likely to give a disproportionate voice to the likes of Reform.

Absolutely agree with the need to change the voting system. So-called 'Reform' are a mix of fruitcakes and bigots (some closeted, some not so much), but like the Kippers before them, they're entitled to fair representation of their views the same as everyone else. It's kind of inevitable that there's going to be some hard right party in some form, the only question is what form it takes and how far right it goes.

A good point someone once made was that UKIP was probably one of the most moderate hard right parties in Europe, and that harder right versions were possible, like the BNP briefly threatened. I know less about Reform, but I suspect that most of the hard right headbangers feel comfortable enough in the Tory party.

[Kent Magpie]

Absolutely agree with the need to change the voting system. So-called 'Reform' are a mix of fruitcakes and bigots (some closeted, some not so much), but like the Kippers before them, they're entitled to fair representation of their views the same as everyone else. It's kind of inevitable that there's going to be some hard right party in some form, the only question is what form it takes and how far right it goes.

A good point someone once made was that UKIP was probably one of the most moderate hard right parties in Europe, and that harder right versions were possible, like the BNP briefly threatened. I know less about Reform, but I suspect that most of the hard right headbangers feel comfortable enough in the Tory party.

I agree with all that.

[Elite_Pie]

Deflection, deflection, a much used Labour tactic, unfortunately it will not work.

Open your eyes Soccerman, the Tories are well and truly f*cked, for a start, you still haven't said "in Rishi we trust"!

Perhaps he's not your 'type'.

[JoePass]

Open your eyes Soccerman, the Tories are well and truly f*cked, for a start, you still haven't said "in Rishi we trust"!

Perhaps he's not your 'type'.

lol. Just trying to keep up with how many more are turning their back on Sir Kneeler, aka Mr.Flip Flop. Still, he has his mate Corbyn to talk to, you know, that man he wanted as our PM….you just could not make this up. Lubbly jubbly.

[Elite_Pie]

lol. Just trying to keep up with how many more are turning their back on Sir Kneeler, aka Mr.Flip Flop. Still, he has his mate Corbyn to talk to, you know, that man he wanted as our PM….you just could not make this up. Lubbly jubbly.

How about we put words into money? I will match any stake you care to name that Labour get more seats than the Tories at the next election.

For regular readers, this is where Soccerman runs and hides.