O/T:- Ukraine [Incorporating 'Congrats to Russia' thread]

[andy6025]

A fairly damning report by several prominent Germans.

https://braveneweurope.com/michael-v...ce-for-ukraine

[Old_pie]

A fairly damning report by several prominent Germans.

https://braveneweurope.com/michael-v...ce-for-ukraine

Maybe it dawned on the sensible people that any truce/peace treaty would be unenforceable in the future unless NATO were stationed there.

I would have thought the Germans would have been more aware of that than most.

[Jampie]

A fairly damning report by several prominent Germans.

https://braveneweurope.com/michael-v...ce-for-ukraine

Pile of blatant lies.

[andy6025]

Pile of blatant lies.

It seems that Ukraine’s chief negotiator is perpetuating the pile of blatant lies. Maybe he’s a Russian agent?

https://www.irishsun.com/news/274044...2-kievs-top-mp

[Jampie]

It seems that Ukraine’s chief negotiator is perpetuating the pile of blatant lies. Maybe he’s a Russian agent?

https://www.irishsun.com/news/274044...2-kievs-top-mp

Source is RT dot com, the guy is russian born and was widely condemned for proposing to re-open the crimea canal after Russia illegally siezed Crimea. Which side is he on do you reckon? I don't know but I would regard what he's saying with some suspicion.

And then there's this quote:

'Agreeing to neutrality and giving up NATO membership would have required changing the constitution of Ukraine, Arakhamia explained. "Secondly, there was no trust in the Russians that they would do this. This could only be done with security guarantees," he told 1+1.'

From the article you linked. That doesn't sound like they were anywhere near close to an agreement. Russia made an 'offer' that nobody trusted.

[andy6025]

Source is RT dot com, the guy is russian born and was widely condemned for proposing to re-open the crimea canal after Russia illegally siezed Crimea. Which side is he on do you reckon? I don't know but I would regard what he's saying with some suspicion.

And then there's this quote:

'Agreeing to neutrality and giving up NATO membership would have required changing the constitution of Ukraine, Arakhamia explained. "Secondly, there was no trust in the Russians that they would do this. This could only be done with security guarantees," he told 1+1.'

From the article you linked. That doesn't sound like they were anywhere near close to an agreement. Russia made an 'offer' that nobody trusted.

Wow, so the Ukrainian government appointed a Russian agent to be their chief negotiator in the peace talks with Russia? That’s a real bombshell! How on earth did that ever get past them?

But wait, there’s more! The guy is not only still part of the Ukrainian government, but he’s even in Zelensky’s own party!

Do you think Zelensky knows about this? I think maybe you should send Zelensky a letter to notify him asap.

…Or do you think maybe Zelensky is in on it too?

[Jampie]

Wow, so the Ukrainian government appointed a Russian agent to be their chief negotiator in the peace talks with Russia? That’s a real bombshell! How on earth did that ever get past them?

But wait, there’s more! The guy is not only still part of the Ukrainian government, but he’s even in Zelensky’s own party!

Do you think Zelensky knows about this? I think maybe you should send Zelensky a letter to notify him asap.

…Or do you think maybe Zelensky is in on it too?

Honestly what is the point of your prevarications and fantasies? I debunked your nonsense and you, naturally, skipped that bit. Do you really think you've converted a single person here to the Russian cause?

[andy6025]

Honestly what is the point of your prevarications and fantasies? I debunked your nonsense and you, naturally, skipped that bit. Do you really think you've converted a single person here to the Russian cause?

You debunked the nonsense that I posted… by quoting it?

[Old_pie]

It seems that Ukraine’s chief negotiator is perpetuating the pile of blatant lies. Maybe he’s a Russian agent?

https://www.irishsun.com/news/274044...2-kievs-top-mp

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows...ells-france-24

"Arakhamia, a close associate of Zelensky, was part of a Ukrainian delegation involved in fruitless peace negotiations with Russia in the early weeks of the conflict. He said that what Moscow then presented as a "peace agreement" was actually an unfeasible "capitulation", based on the belief that Ukrainians "would be weak". "

Can't believe (well maybe I can) that you want Russia to win, to see the West bow down to Putin. It's only a short hop for you over the Arctic for you to join your comrades.

[i961pie]

A fairly damning report by several prominent Germans.

https://braveneweurope.com/michael-v...ce-for-ukraine

Utter drivel