O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[magpie_mania]

If there was a chance that Johnson and Sunak might end up where they belong, in jail, there’s no way they’d be having an enquiry.

Nevertheless it’s nice to have confirmed what anyone with at least half a brain already knew. These people aren’t fit to run a raffle.

It's only to see what we can learn in case of a future event.

Johnson must have something about him to make his supporters so loyal. It's been embarrassing how they were acting.

Not sure anyone has come out of it well.

[Newish Pie]

It's only to see what we can learn in case of a future event.

Johnson must have something about him to make his supporters so loyal. It's been embarrassing how they were acting.

Not sure anyone has come out of it well.

That first line is especially spot on.

The Enquiry has a difficult job to do. We need to learn lessons... even the most harshest critic of the Johnson regime would readily admit that the pandemic was a set of circumstances that would test the most competent of administrations to the absolute limit. And even the most ardent of Johson fanboys and girls would admit that they weren't... hang on, no they wouldn't. What am I saying?

The Enquiry needs to establish how we could have done better, not just in terms of the political leadership but in terms of the NHS, policing, preparedness... every aspect of the response, political and civil. We can only do that if people feel able to admit their mistakes so that we can learn from them.

But at the same time, there needs to be accountability. Quite how to balance all that, I'm not sure. Some of it (especially the corrupt and/or fraudulent PPE contracts) should be through criminal prosecutions.

[BigFatPie]

That first line is especially spot on.

The Enquiry has a difficult job to do. We need to learn lessons... even the most harshest critic of the Johnson regime would readily admit that the pandemic was a set of circumstances that would test the most competent of administrations to the absolute limit. And even the most ardent of Johson fanboys and girls would admit that they weren't... hang on, no they wouldn't. What am I saying?

The Enquiry needs to establish how we could have done better, not just in terms of the political leadership but in terms of the NHS, policing, preparedness... every aspect of the response, political and civil. We can only do that if people feel able to admit their mistakes so that we can learn from them.

But at the same time, there needs to be accountability. Quite how to balance all that, I'm not sure. Some of it (especially the corrupt and/or fraudulent PPE contracts) should be through criminal prosecutions.

Yes, ideally the enquiry will do both, give us the tools to deal with a pandemic in the future, *and* pave the way for criminal prosecutions if necessary.

This country doesn’t really do gross negligence manslaughter, you only have to look at Hillsborough to know that.