⚽ Match Thread vs. Shrewbury Town FC 01.12.23 [FAC R2]

[Elite_Pie]

Goal 1. You do not, under any circumstances, attempt to beat your man when last line of defence. They don't do that at any other time, the playing out involves passing. Not beating your man ON YOUR OWN TOUCHLINE. And if you are going to be that stupid, at least try and go on the outside, not towards your own goal. That error was nothing to do with systems, it was an unfathomable lack of judgement.

Goal 2. Randall (who imo was poor and does not have it at this level) was not attempting a pass, he was trying to recover from being caught on the ball, running back towards his own goal, and just tried to get something on it, somewhere. Then Rawlinson just comes up with a Sunday League header because - I think - his brain didn't work quick enough. Under no system of playing on earth would you head it where he did.

Goal 3. Brindley gets caught in possession trying to bring it down - that much you can put down to the system. But he gets away with it. Ball breaks to Baldwin, who has enough space and time to play a simple pass back to Stone. Nothing to do with the system - in fact arguably that IS the pass in our system. But for some again unfathomable reason he decides he is not playing for NCFC but for Boca Juniors.

Excellent summary of the goals we conceded, just what I thought.

The blame lies with the players concerned, not the system.

[drillerpie]

Drillerpie back to his disingenuous best...Here are the facts I set out which you want to call opinions

1) We have only 3 defenders.

2) They, along with the keeper, are charged with playing the ball out (usually between the 3 of them) and are expected to keep the ball in play as much as possible.

3)They see more of the ball than any other outfield players.

4) Ideally we want to 'play through the press' to create overloads further up the pitch.

But you just want to win an argument, don't you? As always. Mr. Anally Retentive. OK then, that we play a back 3 is just my opinion. You win.



He's also said recently that he has to find that balance between attack and defence so as not to expose the back three. And that sometimes he doesn't. I like the attacking, positive approach. But it acknowledges that he does ask a lot of his defenders.




It happens far more frequently than that.



The film's there for all to see.

Take the 3 goals against Shrewsbury. They weren't missed tackles, lost aerial challenges or marking assignments.
No, they were all attempts to play out 1) Baldwin tried to beat his man 2) Randall and Rawlinson were attempting passes. 3) Both Brindley and Baldwin were trying to control the ball in order to use it.
Correct me if my maths is wrong but I make that 3 out of 3
Many other times, it has been the keeper's passes.

Most fans will recognise this. But you want to win, don't you? So scuttle off to your desk or whatever, say "I'll get him this time'' like a latterday Dick Dastardly, and concoct another way to say black is white.



I'm fine with that. There are many excellent posters here I would look for opinion and analysis before you.
I can't recall you writing a single interesting or insightful thing about the team.

I think you are projecting with a lot of the personal stuff you wrote there.

I'm afraid I still don't agree with you about what is happening on the pitch. Your interpretation of what happened to cause the goals is hard to take seriously IMO.

I didn't want to get into a personal back and forth so I have no problem saying I do read your posts and find them interesting, even if they are sometimes a bit heavy on the tactical mumbo jumbo for a dinosaur like me.

When we debated this a couple of months ago your position was that the defenders were good enough and should be kept, apart from Brindley. Now you are writing that we need to wait for January and upgrades (plural), while my position hasn't changed, so maybe I am a tiny bit more insightful than you give me credit for.

[kill_the_drum]

It’s certainly not the system and it’s not always the defence.
It’s easy to blame the defence week after week for fans that just want to rant.
All 4 goals against Wimbledon came from midfield errors, as did the Crawley goal.
We can all see where the team could be strengthened but why do people choose to rant about it week after week? We all watched the fans forum and listened to very open and honest insight into our playing budget. Would anyone swap McGoldrick or Crowley for a better defender? I certainly wouldn’t.
There’s so many positives at Notts, more than I’ve ever witnessed in 30 odd years.
We haven’t got a bottomless pit of money so we can’t just buy the best options in every position. So we just need to accept that and even embrace it. I don’t want to be Wrexham, it won’t end well.
But what we have got is incredible owners with a very good team around them, who are taking this club on an upward trajectory. Just be patient…..and f*****g enjoy it!

[thefulltenyards]

Peoples views are allowed to change months later. Brindley being a classic case this season. If not those predicting a lower mid table finish, a season of consolidation and happy not to be relegated before a balls was kicked expectations would still be very modest when Top 6 all season and close to 2nd in December.

More interesting tactical mumbo jumbo please.

Otherwise we are left with a swamp load of stating and predicting the obvious. Such as we will be punished more for defensive mistakes in League Two than in the National League. Ground breaking stuff like that needs a break.

[Oldstripy]

Peoples views are allowed to change months later. Brindley being a classic case this season. If not those predicting a lower mid table finish, a season of consolidation and happy not to be relegated before a balls was kicked expectations would still be very modest when Top 6 all season and close to 2nd in December.

More interesting tactical mumbo jumbo please.

Otherwise we are left with a swamp load of stating and predicting the obvious. Such as we will be punished more for defensive mistakes in League Two than in the National League. Ground breaking stuff like that needs a break.

I will have a go at the tactical mumbo jumbo, to bolster the back line would 4 3 2 1 work?

[countygump]

Excellent summary of the goals we conceded, just what I thought.

The blame lies with the players concerned, not the system.

Nah it's certainly not the system. Even Man C's defender put their foot through the ball on occassion and we need to identify when to do exactly the same. On an slippy pitch on a cold evening against a higher level team might just be the time to start.

[countygump]

I will have a go at the tactical mumbo jumbo, to bolster the back line would 4 3 2 1 work?

I've thought about a back 4. Maybe Chicks and Brins at full back and then 2 central defenders. Would that give us a bit more defensive cover?Maybees a 4-4-1-1/2 in defensive mode with the 2 wingers tucking back in and more of a 4-2-3-1 in attack? But it's important to factor in that I know absolutely nothing about tactics.

[kill_the_drum]

I will have a go at the tactical mumbo jumbo, to bolster the back line would 4 3 2 1 work?

No, not really. Unless we completely changed our method of playing.
We play an overload which means we want to have more outfield players advanced of the ball than the opposition, in their half.
If we had 4 defenders, with defending being the priority, then we’d never have the overload.
It’s why we’ll always be susceptible to a quick counter as we’re outnumbered the other way if we don’t retreat quick enough.

[durhampie]

No, not really. Unless we completely changed our method of playing.
We play an overload which means we want to have more outfield players advanced of the ball than the opposition, in their half.
If we had 4 defenders, with defending being the priority, then we’d never have the overload.
It’s why we’ll always be susceptible to a quick counter as we’re outnumbered the other way if we don’t retreat quick enough.

Most of the possession we have is normally in and around our own box....

[durhampie]

No, not really. Unless we completely changed our method of playing.
We play an overload which means we want to have more outfield players advanced of the ball than the opposition, in their half.
If we had 4 defenders, with defending being the priority, then we’d never have the overload.
It’s why we’ll always be susceptible to a quick counter as we’re outnumbered the other way if we don’t retreat quick enough.

Thats a load of rubbish. Remember when we played Ipswich in 1981, we played with a back 4. The ball was played out to Obrien and was quickly worked down the wing with a series of one twos between Ian Mac and Gordon Mair. Mair ended the move by putting the ball into the net. If your players are good enough you should be able to attacking football with a typical back 4...