O/T:- Palestine / Israel

[Magpies1959]

BFP I am not aware of such channel or programme.

[Magpies1959]

What a sick joke by the Met Police to arrest Tommy Robinson for doing fcuk all, nice to see it needed about 20 of them to do this, looks good for the cameras.
How heartwarming though to see so many more Palestinian PRISONERS released than Israeli HOSTAGES.

[Jampie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vttNlz5L0gc

(Rory Stuart, Alastair Campbell and Tony Klug discussing Israel and Palestine over the last 50 years)

Not sure if anyone else has posted this yet or not. I am not reading this thread in its entirety. But I found this video to be just about the only public commentary on the issue that was sufficiently in depth to be useful for me.

[Old_pie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vttNlz5L0gc

(Rory Stuart, Alastair Campbell and Tony Klug discussing Israel and Palestine over the last 50 years)

Not sure if anyone else has posted this yet or not. I am not reading this thread in its entirety. But I found this video to be just about the only public commentary on the issue that was sufficiently in depth to be useful for me.

I've not watched it but if anyone wants to discuss the situation then the last 50 years is not long enough. For the Jews 5000 years might be better and for Palestinians over 2000 years and increasing so post 610AD.

The damage done in the last few months will ensure conflict and hatred for several generations yet regardless of any "solution".

[Jampie]

I've not watched it but if anyone wants to discuss the situation then the last 50 years is not long enough. For the Jews 5000 years might be better and for Palestinians over 2000 years and increasing so post 610AD.

The damage done in the last few months will ensure conflict and hatred for several generations yet regardless of any "solution".

You're absolutely right it goes back thousands of years. IIRC there's an old wall in Jericho that was carbon dated (the mortar or something) to 8,000 years ago, and there's records of Hebrews in Jerusalem during the Akkadian and Babylonian periods!

And you're probably right the current calamity will extend it for generations to come, but I hope you are wrong. Heart says you're wrong, head says you're right.

[Kent Magpie]

Probably the wrong thread, but Rory Stewart is probably the best PM we never had.

[Old_pie]

You're absolutely right it goes back thousands of years. IIRC there's an old wall in Jericho that was carbon dated (the mortar or something) to 8,000 years ago, and there's records of Hebrews in Jerusalem during the Akkadian and Babylonian periods!

And you're probably right the current calamity will extend it for generations to come, but I hope you are wrong. Heart says you're wrong, head says you're right.

OK, I've just listened to it and I'll stick with my stance that looking back to 1967 isn't enough. Tony Glugg is right though that Western thinking isn't an only answer. There is an interview I stumbled acrsso on-line with an Hungarian Prime Minister, Viktor Mihály Orbán, in which he would have you understanding Putin's/Russia's viewpoint, and that was rather strange when I recall the USSR tanks on the streets of Budapest.

I am not a political student, nor one of history, but the one thing all this discussion seemed to miss was the religiously inbred DNA of the two parties. I don't know how right it is for the Jews to expect to have their own state and all the issues that gave rise to its creation. But it was a UN accepted solution. Imagine finding the Arab states around you attack you, 1967, and again by Egypt and Syria, and earlier:

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2...-what-happened

Aftermath of the war

Both the Arabs and Israel declared victory in the war. The Arab countries managed to salvage their defeats after repeated losses in the 1948, 1956 and 1967 wars with Israel.

At one stage, at the height of "the troubles" I had in mind a solution where Israel and Eire swapped places. The Jews would enjoy peace and the Irish would enjoy the fighting. (yes that is tongue in cheek, but it was a thought).

The elephants in the room are imo:

The Jews are disliked by many, and have been throughout history (I think even Britain had a guilt complex. In 1290, the entire Jewish population of England (about 3,000 people) was expelled from the country on the orders of Edward I - they were just too successful. Have a glance at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...ews_in_England

Fundamentally ISLAM and Western culture do not blend and the State of Israel is more Western orientated than Arab/Middle East.

Islam and Judaism are incompatible with the former really wanting to obliterate the latter.

Anyway, I've probably said too much. I don't see a solution and when there is a stop to the fighting the lack of a solution will resurrect all the antagonism again for a future generation to deal with.

Oh, and the comment that Foreign Ministers don't understand enough about History to follow the experts is worrying, and just as worrying is that Ministers are appointed who don't understand (anything).

[Jampie]

Probably the wrong thread, but Rory Stewart is probably the best PM we never had.

I dunno about that (I am far from an expert in UK politics) but the notion any sane group of people picked Boris over him is utterly incomprehensible to me.

[Ex_Southwell_Magpie]

I dunno about that (I am far from an expert in UK politics) but the notion any sane group of people picked Boris over him is utterly incomprehensible to me.

That’s because they picked somebody who was hugely popular with sections of the public in order to win an election, and it worked. Rory Stewart was just a typical, boring politician who would never win an election as long as he had a hole in his backside.

[sidders]

Genuine question, can anyone tell me why we have Palestinians/Hamas supporters, who clearly hate this country, or at the very least have not got any interest in it, being able to protest, every day in great numbers at great cost. The vast majority of which do not have a clue about the history of the area they should be residing in, if they love it so much.

Because we were instrumental in creating the 'solution' in the creation of a new Jewish homeland.