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    Think her "evidence" will unravel. Her story was that only relevant WhatsApp messages were retained and yet nothing of her and equally importantly Swinney's WhatsApp messages were on their phones. The relevant messages were retained. If so where are they, and how were they transferred to the record of their actions.
    I think there needs to be a complete clean out of the senior SNP figures and the civil servants who have so obviously sold their principles. The civil servants work for the people of Scotland not the bunch of politicians who happen to be elected.

    I would like to know who told Nicola and her pals that they could delete their WhatsApp messages. I'd like to know how they managed to create a system where the materiality of a message could be assessed by either the sender or the recipient.

    The media seem to think that Nicola made the tough decisions and have cut her some slack because she cried. Self serving Crocodile tears seems to be the assessment of some of the families who lost relatives to covid.
    I think the destruction of the WhatsApp messages has weakened the SNP case. They cannot deny any allegation because the evidence that they might have been able to rely on has been destroyed, along with the bad stuff.

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by BCram View Post
    Think her "evidence" will unravel. Her story was that only relevant WhatsApp messages were retained and yet nothing of her and equally importantly Swinney's WhatsApp messages were on their phones. The relevant messages were retained. If so where are they, and how were they transferred to the record of their actions.
    I think there needs to be a complete clean out of the senior SNP figures and the civil servants who have so obviously sold their principles. The civil servants work for the people of Scotland not the bunch of politicians who happen to be elected.

    I would like to know who told Nicola and her pals that they could delete their WhatsApp messages. I'd like to know how they managed to create a system where the materiality of a message could be assessed by either the sender or the recipient.

    The media seem to think that Nicola made the tough decisions and have cut her some slack because she cried. Self serving Crocodile tears seems to be the assessment of some of the families who lost relatives to covid.
    I think the destruction of the WhatsApp messages has weakened the SNP case. They cannot deny any allegation because the evidence that they might have been able to rely on has been destroyed, along with the bad stuff.
    Can't see the fuss of the WhatsApp messages tbh , we all know what decisions they made , the science and data was the same as the uk , the decisions that both the uk and scotland were both broadly the same , what are people saying they are hiding ,
    On the one hand the covid bereathed group seem to be saying the didn't act quickly enough and restrictions should have been tougher ,
    On the other hand plenty of folk are saying there was no need for lockdowns and restrictions
    So can't be both ?

    For example In todays session the kc was implying she didn't ban mass gatherings quickly enough , then 5 mins later accused her of jumping the gun in announcing the ban of mass gatherings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainlanddee View Post
    Can't see the fuss of the WhatsApp messages tbh , we all know what decisions they made , the science and data was the same as the uk , the decisions that both the uk and scotland were both broadly the same , what are people saying they are hiding ,
    On the one hand the covid bereathed group seem to be saying the didn't act quickly enough and restrictions should have been tougher ,
    On the other hand plenty of folk are saying there was no need for lockdowns and restrictions
    So can't be both ?

    For example In todays session the kc was implying she didn't ban mass gatherings quickly enough , then 5 mins later accused her of jumping the gun in announcing the ban of mass gatherings
    I think that the WhatsApp messages were deleted to avoid them having to be released under Freedom of Information requests.
    Nicoliar stated that she adhered to Scottish Government rules regarding the deleting of WhatsApp messages but she omitted to say who in the Scottish Government decided this WhatsApp rule.
    In my opinion Nicoliar should have been asked by the KC who in the Scottish Government decided to introduce this rule regarding the deletion of WhatsApp messages and when did this rule come into force.
    I would not be surprised if this WhatsApp rule came into force when Nicoliar was the First Minister of Scotland.

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