Southampton Post Match Thoughts

[Millmoordays]

Some decent points in that.
Just a comment on LR.
Redfern was clueless
Stubbs was Clueless.
Warne was clueless according to a lot.
Mt was clueless
LR is clueless.
Got to be the manager's fault right?
Maybe just maybe it’s something else.

And that something else is?….

You’ve not mentioned evans. Evans and warne got promotions, so they can’t be totally useless. Warne in his last full season had us top of the league absolutely the best we’ve been in ten years. However, it was always getting blood out of a stone, so time took it’s toll.
And warne now has picked up a manager of the month and another promotion on the cards….incidentally, derby have just in this window got loans in of which at least one is from the prem…..that’s the warne factor…..we got nowhere with Lem, taken back.

Being stretched on resources is that where you point? Sell the best players, don’t try to keep? That it?

[Pocket rocket]

And that something else is?….

You’ve not mentioned evans. Evans and warne got promotions, so they can’t be totally useless. Warne in his last full season had us top of the league absolutely the best we’ve been in ten years. However, it was always getting blood out of a stone, so time took it’s toll.
And warne now has picked up a manager of the month and another promotion on the cards….incidentally, derby have just in this window got loans in of which at least one is from the prem…..that’s the warne factor…..we got nowhere with Lem, taken back.

Being stretched on resources is that where you point? Sell the best players, don’t try to keep? That it?

Why are you se defensive?
I said you made some good points.
Warne got us relegated 3 times oh and I stuck up for him continuously. But he failed at this level.
The Warne factor is easy to say because he’s with somebody else it’s a convenient stick to beat the club with.
Warnock didn’t want the job because he knew we couldn’t compete in this league.
The point I’m making is it’s easy to blame the manager when in reality we may well survive once or twice but generally we’ve failed at this level.
The gap is growing wider every season it’s different than when Ronnie Moore and When Evans to a point was here.
Parachute payments and clubs happy to pay extortionate wages is just widening the gap.
Of course we’ve made mistakes and I agree with you about the selection of players we target. The strategy needs to be better to give us any chance but already LR is getting blame some even suggesting we should have stuck with MT.
That’s how ridiculous some of our fan base are.
The manager is just part of the whole picture and is an easy target to blame.

[KerrAvon]

I know nothing about football and can't make many games, but did attend both Southampton games.

Here's my take, for what it's worth:

The Rotherham squad was out classed in every department yesterday, save, perhaps, for the goalkeepers. That's not being unkind to the Rotherham squad, many of whom have enjoyed successful careers that currently have them playing in one of the best leagues in the world.

Put simply, the Southampton squad were assembled by a club that used it's massively superior financial resources, and the gulf in class shows.

We may not like that, but that is the factual position.

Rotherham were out classed in another way too: Morale and confidence are inevitably low within the Rotherham squad whilst they will be flying high at Southampton given their league position and unbeaten run.

So the dominant theory on here seems to be that Rotherham should have set up aggressively yesterday and that a cricket score defeat would be an acceptable consequence of that.

Really? Do we really think that there would be a warm glow on this site if we had taken the game to Southampton, been cut to pieces by a confident and technically superior squad and lost, say, 6-1?

I don't.

And there's another reason why it matters to seek to contain the better sides. At the end of this season, we are almost certainly looking at a re-build for League 1 (it started last week). Will players want to stay at a club where they have had the misery of repeated crushing defeats? I don't think so.

It will be hard enough keeping Victor for example. Placing him in a position where he is going to be picking the ball out of the net 4, 5 or 6 times a game isn't going to help. It won't help with recruitment either.

I think we are better under Richardson than Taylor and that he needs the time, space and understanding to do his thing.

As I say, I know nowt, but maybe being stood back a little bit helps me to see the bigger picture.

[caytonmiller]

Two hundred million pounds worth of talent on show from Southampton yesterday, that’s what I was told yesterday and some of our fans think we should go toe to toe with them . Fans criticise the manager but no criticism for the chairman.

70% of the teams in the championship have squads worth millions so when are we suppose to have a go?. First full season warne had in the championship he tried playing 451 home and away. We failed. 2nd full season. Same formation. He failed.
Warnock played Derbyshire and best.
Evans played revell and Derbyshire/Bowery
Those two managers knew how to win games. Load of bowlax playing with 1 striker who is more horizontal than upright and no wingers to carry the ball out of defence... If we get to 38 points this season I will be gobsmacked

[caytonmiller]

I know nothing about football and can't make many games, but did attend both Southampton games.

Here's my take, for what it's worth:

The Rotherham squad was out classed in every department yesterday, save, perhaps, for the goalkeepers. That's not being unkind to the Rotherham squad, many of whom have enjoyed successful careers that currently have them playing in one of the best leagues in the world.

Put simply, the Southampton squad were assembled by a club that used it's massively superior financial resources, and the gulf in class shows.

We may not like that, but that is the factual position.

Rotherham were out classed in another way too: Morale and confidence are inevitably low within the Rotherham squad whilst they will be flying high at Southampton given their league position and unbeaten run.

So the dominant theory on here seems to be that Rotherham should have set up aggressively yesterday and that a cricket score defeat would be an acceptable consequence of that.

Really? Do we really think that there would be a warm glow on this site if we had taken the game to Southampton, been cut to pieces by a confident and technically superior squad and lost, say, 6-1?

I don't.

And there's another reason why it matters to seek to contain the better sides. At the end of this season, we are almost certainly looking at a re-build for League 1 (it started last week). Will players want to stay at a club where they have had the misery of repeated crushing defeats? I don't think so.

It will be hard enough keeping Victor for example. Placing him in a position where he is going to be picking the ball out of the net 4, 5 or 6 times a game isn't going to help. It won't help with recruitment either.

I think we are better under Richardson than Taylor and that he needs the time, space and understanding to do his thing.

As I say, I know nowt, but maybe being stood back a little bit helps me to see the bigger picture.

Kerr what have you seen from the teams Richardson has put out that is better than the teams Taylor put out?

[Nardendee]

I know nothing about football and can't make many games, but did attend both Southampton games.

Here's my take, for what it's worth:

The Rotherham squad was out classed in every department yesterday, save, perhaps, for the goalkeepers. That's not being unkind to the Rotherham squad, many of whom have enjoyed successful careers that currently have them playing in one of the best leagues in the world.

Put simply, the Southampton squad were assembled by a club that used it's massively superior financial resources, and the gulf in class shows.

We may not like that, but that is the factual position.

Rotherham were out classed in another way too: Morale and confidence are inevitably low within the Rotherham squad whilst they will be flying high at Southampton given their league position and unbeaten run.

So the dominant theory on here seems to be that Rotherham should have set up aggressively yesterday and that a cricket score defeat would be an acceptable consequence of that.

Really? Do we really think that there would be a warm glow on this site if we had taken the game to Southampton, been cut to pieces by a confident and technically superior squad and lost, say, 6-1?

I don't.

And there's another reason why it matters to seek to contain the better sides. At the end of this season, we are almost certainly looking at a re-build for League 1 (it started last week). Will players want to stay at a club where they have had the misery of repeated crushing defeats? I don't think so.

It will be hard enough keeping Victor for example. Placing him in a position where he is going to be picking the ball out of the net 4, 5 or 6 times a game isn't going to help. It won't help with recruitment either.

I think we are better under Richardson than Taylor and that he needs the time, space and understanding to do his thing.

As I say, I know nowt, but maybe being stood back a little bit helps me to see the bigger picture.

Very eloquently put if I may say. Spot on.
Incidentally the meltdown on here is nothing compared to that on X, where the comments by some on there towards Tony Stewart in particular, make me ashamed to be a Millers fan.

[KerrAvon]

Kerr what have you seen from the teams Richardson has put out that is better than the teams Taylor put out?

I think the team that I saw yesterday was better organised than the teams that I saw under Taylor.

I also think the club is generally better under Richardson, for example in the decision to part with Kelly who - love him to bits as I do - was not a Championship level player.

I would add, even though it will upset Brin, that I watched both Southampton games with a friend who was 'on the books' at Southampton, albeit never turning out for the first team and retiring from the game at 19 after sustaining a career ending training-ground injury. He knows a bit more about football than me. His view was that the set up was realistic but that we showed too much respect to Southampton in the first half, which, in fairness, does accord with some of the views on here.

[KerrAvon]

Very eloquently put if I may say. Spot on.
Incidentally the meltdown on here is nothing compared to that on X, where the comments by some on there towards Tony Stewart in particular, make me ashamed to be a Millers fan.

I think we forget that we are supposed to be 'supporters' at times. Following Rotherham means a lot of downs as well as ups. It goes with the territory - it always has and it always will.

I remember my dad coming home from a game in the early 70s and all that would say was that it was an 'utter shambles', but he still went back for the next game and many hundreds after that. That's what supporting a football team is about.

[Townerslovechild]

It's very difficult, put simply, we need to win games, quite a few games actually, and playing like we did yesterday, we won't do that.
Being more solid is great, but that will get you a draw at best,we need some creativity in midfield, which we didn't have before, and I'm not sure the 3 new faces will provide this.
Has Richardson given up on this season already, I really hope not ,that would be diabolical,but I fear we will draw 5 or 6 games, win a couple and lose the rest by not much,which is rather depressing.

[caytonmiller]

I think the team that I saw yesterday was better organised than the teams that I saw under Taylor.

I also think the club is generally better under Richardson, for example in the decision to part with Kelly who - love him to bits as I do - was not a Championship level player.

I would add, even though it will upset Brin, that I watched both Southampton games with a friend who was 'on the books' at Southampton, albeit never turning out for the first team and retiring from the game at 19 after sustaining a career ending training-ground injury. He knows a bit more about football than me. His view was that the set up was realistic but that we showed too much respect to Southampton in the first half, which, in fairness, does accord with some of the views on here.

Sorry Kerr. Wrote a long reply with my view and my sausage fingers clicked the wrong place and deleted the lot 🫣. Maybe later