Romared Match Thoughts--Barnsley-v-Leyton Orient

[EthelRed]

Just seen the highlights.

Positive - well done for sticking at it and eventually getting the points

Negative - the pub league defending that has been evident all season strikes again. What were Williams and Frenchie doing? Eventually as the season draws to a climax this will change me back to bite us in the arse.

On to Salop on Tuesday.

[SBRed48]

I know you only said “could have” but in my opinion there is no chance Collins would have lost his job had we lost yesterday. We aren’t Watford.

You are right about the fight in the players this season though. Last season once we went behind it was basically game over but this season the players keep going until the last second.

It shows how much the players are buying in to Collins given how McAtee and Roberts are both loan players yet celebrated the goals and full time winners like they were ours. Hopefully they both will be next season, although I feel McAtee is less likely to be here on a permanent basis.

Statistics from Transfermarkt-----

Barnsley Points lost from winning positions--
Collins 23/24 D6 L1 15 pts dropped (in 30 games)
Duff 22/23 D3 L0 6 pts dropped (in 46 games)

Barnsley Points won from losing positions---
Collins 23/24 W4 D3 18 points won (in 30 games)
Duff 22/23 W0 D3 6 points won (in 46 games)

Conclusion so far--
Collins better at coming back from losing positions
Duff better at seeing out games from winning positions

[Young_Nudger]

I know you only said “could have” but in my opinion there is no chance Collins would have lost his job had we lost yesterday. We aren’t Watford.

You are right about the fight in the players this season though. Last season once we went behind it was basically game over but this season the players keep going until the last second.

It shows how much the players are buying in to Collins given how McAtee and Roberts are both loan players yet celebrated the goals and full time winners like they were ours. Hopefully they both will be next season, although I feel McAtee is less likely to be here on a permanent basis.

I didn’t expect Collins to have lost his job if we had lost.
I’m talking about the accumulative effect when the directors look at all the results at the end of the season.

Collins is getting a lot of effort out of these players.
Which is great.
But as I’ve said - IMO this squad is arguably the best set of players in this league.
That’s been further advanced if these new signings turn out to be as good as what they look on YouTube.

So IMO we should be top of the league by now.
We arn’t because Collins has strayed away from the script.
This could go against him when the directors take an overall look at the season come the end of the season.

I’ve forgotten the actual wording of it - its on the official website - but its interesting to read what James had to say about the anniversary of his fathers death in relation to how his father would have perceived the time Ismael was at the club.
I may be reading into this more than there is - but I doubt that’s the case.
James is praising Ismael for how he analysed and approached the game.
In other words - James prefers that type of football.

[animallittle3]

I didn’t expect Collins to have lost his job if we had lost.
I’m talking about the accumulative effect when the directors look at all the results at the end of the season.

Collins is getting a lot of effort out of these players.
Which is great.
But as I’ve said - IMO this squad is arguably the best set of players in this league.
That’s been further advanced if these new signings turn out to be as good as what they look on YouTube.

So IMO we should be top of the league by now.
We arn’t because Collins has strayed away from the script.
This could go against him when the directors take an overall look at the season come the end of the season.

I’ve forgotten the actual wording of it - its on the official website - but its interesting to read what James had to say about the anniversary of his fathers death in relation to how his father would have perceived the time Ismael was at the club.
I may be reading into this more than there is - but I doubt that’s the case.
James is praising Ismael for how he analysed and approached the game.
In other words - James prefers that type of football.

Val wasn't even the best tactical HC we've had in recent years in my opinion .

[Young_Nudger]

Val wasn't even the best tactical HC we've had in recent years in my opinion .

Yer probably right.
He just had the capacity to get the cheapest set of players in the Championship playing in a style that took us all the way to the playoffs.
I can’t see owt changing when we do get back to the Championship - we probably will still have the cheapest squad.

James and Ismael were an exact fit.
Collins hasn’t been that so far.
I hope that changes because there’s no doubt Collins is able to get a shift out of all the players.

[animallittle3]

Yer probably right.
He just had the capacity to get the cheapest set of players in the Championship playing in a style that took us all the way to the playoffs.
I can’t see owt changing when we do get back to the Championship - we probably will still have the cheapest squad.

James and Ismael were an exact fit.
Collins hasn’t been that so far.
I hope that changes because there’s no doubt Collins is able to get a shift out of all the players.

We didn't have the cheapest squad .

[animallittle3]

Yer probably right.
He just had the capacity to get the cheapest set of players in the Championship playing in a style that took us all the way to the playoffs.
I can’t see owt changing when we do get back to the Championship - we probably will still have the cheapest squad.

James and Ismael were an exact fit.
Collins hasn’t been that so far.
I hope that changes because there’s no doubt Collins is able to get a shift out of all the players.

What's the connection between Cryne and Val that you speak of ?

[Young_Nudger]

What's the connection between Cryne and Val that you speak of ?

Recruitment identifying players to be able to play a certain way.
Head coach getting the players to stick to that certain way of playing.

I think we have seen different versions of that since Stendel.
But under Ismael we saw it in its purest form.

And in its purest form we finished higher than we have done for years.

As we all know the Ismael team was like a machine that ploughed over other more expensive teams.
It wasn’t pretty at times but it was highly effective.

We look nothing like that now.
We are still playing tippy tappy - although that type of play is reducing markedly.
But we are still relatively disorganised.
Orients goal was testament to that.
Ok Williams slipped up - but where was the defensive cover FGS ???

If we do go up - and continue trying to play tippy tappy against more expensive players that are experienced and better at tippy tappy - then my fear is that we would be in for a very rough season.
With Collins maybe losing his job mid season causing upheaval at the club.

[Barnsley Chop]

Recruitment identifying players to be able to play a certain way.
Head coach getting the players to stick to that certain way of playing.

I think we have seen different versions of that since Stendel.
But under Ismael we saw it in its purest form.

And in its purest form we finished higher than we have done for years.

As we all know the Ismael team was like a machine that ploughed over other more expensive teams.
It wasn’t pretty at times but it was highly effective.

We look nothing like that now.
We are still playing tippy tappy - although that type of play is reducing markedly.
But we are still relatively disorganised.
Orients goal was testament to that.
Ok Williams slipped up - but where was the defensive cover FGS ???

If we do go up - and continue trying to play tippy tappy against more expensive players that are experienced and better at tippy tappy - then my fear is that we would be in for a very rough season.
With Collins maybe losing his job mid season causing upheaval at the club.

So let's say Collins loses his job mid season, next season. Is that any different to previous coaches under this current regime??

The upheaval as you mention comes from the Suits and Lady Cryne (you cannot wear that attire for work young lady ) not generally speaking the hard working coaching team, players and club employees.

Fact is on the playing side we are far weaker squad wise than we were during the last two occasions when we were trying to get out of league 3.

[Shadrack the Red]

So let's say Collins loses his job mid season, next season. Is that any different to previous coaches under this current regime??

The upheaval as you mention comes from the Suits and Lady Cryne (you cannot wear that attire for work young lady ) not generally speaking the hard working coaching team, players and club employees.

Fact is on the playing side we are far weaker squad wise than we were during the last two occasions when we were trying to get out of league 3.

Well said Chop, Collins is doing a fantastic job with a far weaker squad than we had last season and a lot weaker squad than our competitors such as Bolton & Portsmouth etc , there is no "Barnsley way " no club mould it is just an honest coach using his abilities to get the best out of a group of players , the team spirit is outstanding , you only have to see the scenes in the tunnel after the final whistle to see this & if we make the play offs then I will take my hat off to Mr Collins . Talk of sacking him is laughable , he is getting a tune of these lads despite what the owners have done to the squad , it was severely weakened before a ball was kicked & then stripped of the captain and main player on the last day of the summer window , he was given a mountain to climb & in my opinion it might be an impossible task but Collins is certainly giving it his best shot .