Election Year or Fear!

[ramAnag]

I think you’re letting personal enmity get in the way of objectivity.

I don’t think so. Objectively…his only achievement has been to create probably the single most divisive event in British political history since the days of the Miners’ strikes or the speeches of Enoch Powell and he has failed completely and repeatedly to win election to any position of authority…but, I’ve got a match to go to so…COYR.

[swaledale]

Yes I mean a pseudo public sector utility monopoly

I don't disagree its a monopoly, but its hardly pseudo public sector, given the loading of debt onto the companies, the cash paid out in dividends to shareholders and the salary plus bonus paid to the execs. No public sector organisation I know operates like that.

[swaledale]

Its not the fact that Starmer appears to ahve little charisma or is a "boring" personality that is the issue, a competent person as Pm would be a welcome relief, it the tendency to be over cautious, withdraw or water down policies when the Tories attack them and the lack of a clear vision being communicated to the voters that's a worry.

Getting elected on Labour is a touch nearer the centre than the obviously hopeless Tories is not exactly making voters think, this lot will change things for the better is it?

[MadAmster]

Labour's green deal, shut down. They gave the reason as being the drastic change in how much/little the Exchequer currently has. An eminently sensible decision until such time as they get a look at the figures, IMO.

Tax the rich? It would be a sensible decision. The moment it gets launched we all know the right wing press will have a go at it as will Tories and reform UK parties. Leaving it until election manifesto time to announce it gives the other lot far less time to ram it down people's throats and might be a wise move.

[swaledale]

Labour's green deal, shut down. They gave the reason as being the drastic change in how much/little the Exchequer currently has. An eminently sensible decision until such time as they get a look at the figures, IMO.

Tax the rich? It would be a sensible decision. The moment it gets launched we all know the right wing press will have a go at it as will Tories and reform UK parties. Leaving it until election manifesto time to announce it gives the other lot far less time to ram it down people's throats and might be a wise move.

Trouble is MA, this how much/how little the Exchequer has is a weak excuse and the green agenda was a flagship policy, if they can't stand the attacks from the right now, what is their response going to be in an election campaign? IMO they should have stuck to their guns and found ways to fund it, like a windfall tax on energy firms, a tax on bankers bonuses, closing the non dom loophole, levying national insurance on capital gains.

If they go into the election hampering their ability to change things by self imposed fiscal restraints then they will not achieve what's required and could find themselves booted out after 5 years by voters who expect more.

IMO a better response was that we have costed it and how it will be paid for and this will be in our manifesto come the election.

The majority of economists take the view that there has to be a rise in targeted public expenditure in order to stimulate growth, the past 13 plus years of austerity have resulted in a flat lining economy, obviously exacerbated by a disastrous Brexit deal.

One only has to look at the detail of Biden's inflation reduction act, which has stimulated the economy to see whats required, plus if this action is delayed much longer then the necessary work to reduce carbon emissions and create a thriving green economy will not happen and then we will all be ****ed.

[MadAmster]

Trouble is MA, this how much/how little the Exchequer has is a weak excuse and the green agenda was a flagship policy, if they can't stand the attacks from the right now, what is their response going to be in an election campaign? IMO they should have stuck to their guns and found ways to fund it, like a windfall tax on energy firms, a tax on bankers bonuses, closing the non dom loophole, levying national insurance on capital gains.

If they go into the election hampering their ability to change things by self imposed fiscal restraints then they will not achieve what's required and could find themselves booted out after 5 years by voters who expect more.

IMO a better response was that we have costed it and how it will be paid for and this will be in our manifesto come the election.

The majority of economists take the view that there has to be a rise in targeted public expenditure in order to stimulate growth, the past 13 plus years of austerity have resulted in a flat lining economy, obviously exacerbated by a disastrous Brexit deal.

One only has to look at the detail of Biden's inflation reduction act, which has stimulated the economy to see whats required, plus if this action is delayed much longer then the necessary work to reduce carbon emissions and create a thriving green economy will not happen and then we will all be ****ed.

I'd go further. Renationalise all those money making public utilities and use the profits for the national good as well as for repairing the millions of leaky underwater pipes the private companies can't afford to mend because they prefer to give huge dividends to shareholders. Water, gas, electricity, public transport. I'd also invest in lots of, publicly owned, hydrogen producing plants to replace our need for gas.

That's taking back control.

[macstheman]

MA 4 PM.
Let's face it MA you could bring the price of 🍻down and put a huge surcharge on 🍒🍒 Tea!! I don't think anybody would mind🤔

[MadAmster]

MA 4 PM.
Let's face it MA you could bring the price of ��down and put a huge surcharge on ���� Tea!! I don't think anybody would mind��

already in the manifesto

[Trickytreesreds]

well, you got your yard stick of how ****ed up British politics is yesterday.
The SNP, want a vote on their bill, knowing its all about causing mayhem. Probably serving as a good distraction from them and their wrong doings.
Labour panicking, leaning on the speaker to accept their amendment instead. In order for Starmer to avoid a back bench bun fight, as over 100 of his MP's want to revolt and allow their ethnic bias take centre stage over party policy.
The Tories throwing a spanner in the works and joining the SNP in a mass walkout, just to cause as much mayhem themselves.


Meanwhile the world laughs and the speaker is exposed as being as maliable as Bercow was and probably gets the sack.

So how about keep out of Gaza in the first place and sort your own houses out first, before trying to solve one of the hardest puzzles in the world.

Bonkers the lot of them and a disgrace.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_HW...channel=GBNews Just the begining

[SithHappens]

well, you got your yard stick of how ****ed up British politics is yesterday.
The SNP, want a vote on their bill, knowing its all about causing mayhem. Probably serving as a good distraction from them and their wrong doings.
Labour panicking, leaning on the speaker to accept their amendment instead. In order for Starmer to avoid a back bench bun fight, as over 100 of his MP's want to revolt and allow their ethnic bias take centre stage over party policy.
The Tories throwing a spanner in the works and joining the SNP in a mass walkout, just to cause as much mayhem themselves.


Meanwhile the world laughs and the speaker is exposed as being as maliable as Bercow was and probably gets the sack.

So how about keep out of Gaza in the first place and sort your own houses out first, before trying to solve one of the hardest puzzles in the world.

Bonkers the lot of them and a disgrace.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_HW...channel=GBNews Just the begining

Crazy really what happened. Can't see Hoyle getting through it without resigning.

Bad day for all parties involved.