Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

well, you got your yard stick of how ****ed up British politics is yesterday.
The SNP, want a vote on their bill, knowing its all about causing mayhem. Probably serving as a good distraction from them and their wrong doings.
Labour panicking, leaning on the speaker to accept their amendment instead. In order for Starmer to avoid a back bench bun fight, as over 100 of his MP's want to revolt and allow their ethnic bias take centre stage over party policy.
The Tories throwing a spanner in the works and joining the SNP in a mass walkout, just to cause as much mayhem themselves.


Meanwhile the world laughs and the speaker is exposed as being as maliable as Bercow was and probably gets the sack.

So how about keep out of Gaza in the first place and sort your own houses out first, before trying to solve one of the hardest puzzles in the world.

Bonkers the lot of them and a disgrace.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_HW...channel=GBNews Just the begining

[ramAnag]

So how about keep out of Gaza in the first place and sort your own houses out first, before trying to solve one of the hardest puzzles in the world.

This single sentence I can’t help but agree with. When our UK Parliament cannot even debate the matter of Israel and Gaza without descending into chaos it is a real indictment of our leaders.
Coincidentally I witnessed a candlelit vigil in Oxford earlier this evening. Lots of Palestinian flags along with posters calling for a ceasefire and highlighting aspects of the increasing human tragedy…otherwise a great deal more dignity on display than in the HoC yesterday.
Having said that…does anyone honestly think that what a bunch of British politicians call for is going to make the slightest difference?

[Andy_Faber]

This single sentence I can’t help but agree with. When our UK Parliament cannot even debate the matter of Israel and Gaza without descending into chaos it is a real indictment of our leaders.
Coincidentally I witnessed a candlelit vigil in Oxford earlier this evening. Lots of Palestinian flags along with posters calling for a ceasefire and highlighting aspects of the increasing human tragedy…otherwise a great deal more dignity on display than in the HoC yesterday.
Having said that…does anyone honestly think that what a bunch of British politicians call for is going to make the slightest difference?

In order: yup TTR is right but I don’t think his ‘getting out of Gaza’ is quite the same as rA’s. Maybe I’m wrong

Loving the ‘dignity’ but that’s got to be balanced against the low level terrorism directed towards politicians (and others) showing any support/ empathy towards Jews/ Israelis

No, it’s not going to make the slightest difference, what a bunch of kids

[ramAnag]

In order: yup TTR is right but I don’t think his ‘getting out of Gaza’ is quite the same as rA’s. Maybe I’m wrong

Loving the ‘dignity’ but that’s got to be balanced against the low level terrorism directed towards politicians (and others) showing any support/ empathy towards Jews/ Israelis

No, it’s not going to make the slightest difference, what a bunch of kids

Which in turn has to be balanced against the high level of ‘terrorism’ currently directed at the fleeing citizens of Gaza.
I’m sure you and I would find plenty of common ground, AF and I don’t support the type of ‘terrorism’ you describe in any way.
Having said that…the catalyst for all this was undoubtedly the Oct. 7th attack on Israel. Who knew what before that happened remains, imo, a matter for further debate, but certainly the long established attitude of the Israelis towards Palestinians/Gazans is a major cause…and saying that isn’t anti Semitic.

[Andy_Faber]

Which in turn has to be balanced against the high level of ‘terrorism’ currently directed at the fleeing citizens of Gaza.
I’m sure you and I would find plenty of common ground, AF and I don’t support the type of ‘terrorism’ you describe in any way.
Having said that…the catalyst for all this was undoubtedly the Oct. 7th attack on Israel. Who knew what before that happened remains, imo, a matter for further debate, but certainly the long established attitude of the Israelis towards Palestinians/Gazans is a major cause…and saying that isn’t anti Semitic.

Focussing just on the U.K. aspect, Saying is fine, peaceful protesting is fine, death threats and intimidation is not, whoever’s doing it

[ramAnag]

Focussing just on the U.K. aspect, Saying is fine, peaceful protesting is fine, death threats and intimidation is not, whoever’s doing it

I agree…but Sith is right, ‘laws’ yes, but what does British ‘way of life’ actually mean? Like it or not we have become a much more diverse/multicultural society and our ‘way of life’ has changed…in some ways for the better, in others perhaps for the worse.

For as long as I can remember on here Tricky has been banging an anti Labour and anti Muslim drum and it is no coincidence that his reappearance coincides with a time of such turmoil. I’m no apologist for the ‘grooming gangs’ that TTR regularly alludes to and I probably have more first hand professional knowledge of such matters than most on here, but, in my experience, various home grown/white ‘communities’ are just as guilty (Catholic Church anyone?)…the manifestation is just different.

Doubtless it suits those on the Right, who have produced such chaos over the last six or more years, to now start ranting about anti Semitism and reintroduce the demonisation of Muslims…they have, after all, nothing else left to fight an election with.

P.S. Agreeing entirely with the points made by MA immediately above and, please note, they are - entirely - on topic and not remotely personal.

[Trickytreesreds]

I agree…but Sith is right, ‘laws’ yes, but what does British ‘way of life’ actually mean? Like it or not we have become a much more diverse/multicultural society and our ‘way of life’ has changed…in some ways for the better, in others perhaps for the worse.

For as long as I can remember on here Tricky has been banging an anti Labour and anti Muslim drum and it is no coincidence that his reappearance coincides with a time of such turmoil. I’m no apologist for the ‘grooming gangs’ that TTR regularly alludes to and I probably have more first hand professional knowledge of such matters than most on here, but, in my experience, various home grown/white ‘communities’ are just as guilty (Catholic Church anyone?)…the manifestation is just different.

Doubtless it suits those on the Right, who have produced such chaos over the last six or more years, to now start ranting about anti Semitism and reintroduce the demonisation of Muslims…they have, after all, nothing else left to fight an election with.

P.S. Agreeing entirely with the points made by MA immediately above and, please note, they are - entirely - on topic and not remotely personal.

My re appearance RA, as yu call it, coincides with my return after 6 months in Thailand.
You should go. A lovely country of 99% Buddhists living in total harmony and tolerance.
Farangs are very welcome and respected, as long as you respect them.
When I go there, I make sure I blend in and do nothing to try change that. They have laws in place to stop Farangs, from exploiting and gaining an advantage over the native population.
Whilst there, I can not explain to you the calm and steady pace of life you experiance.
Then I come back here and .................................... well , the chaos has gone up many notches.

You call it the demonisation of Muslims. Yet Muslims are the ones causing all the current eruptions. Not Christians/Hindus/Sikhs/Buddhists/ Johvo's/ Hari Krishnas etc.
As an ex teacher, you should be horrified as to how Islam is demanding schools change to accomodate them, rather than the majority
Death threats/ assaults/insults/ harrassment and I'm picking on them?

BTW, Islamophobia is a term invented by Iran , in order to shush folks criticising their babaric ways in the name Islam
Now its the buzz word to shut you down verytime anyone tries to criticise anything they do. So much so, that it works and scares the councils and police to death

In essence , every athiest, is Islamophobic

[Andy_Faber]

I agree…but Sith is right, ‘laws’ yes, but what does British ‘way of life’ actually mean? Like it or not we have become a much more diverse/multicultural society and our ‘way of life’ has changed…in some ways for the better, in others perhaps for the worse.

I think TTR is pushing more about the ‘will change’ than the ‘has changed’ rA, and despite coming from a multicultural household I do see that diversity/multiculturalism has become a bit of a means to itself - a long long way from everyone asked for either

[Trickytreesreds]

This single sentence I can’t help but agree with. When our UK Parliament cannot even debate the matter of Israel and Gaza without descending into chaos it is a real indictment of our leaders.
Coincidentally I witnessed a candlelit vigil in Oxford earlier this evening. Lots of Palestinian flags along with posters calling for a ceasefire and highlighting aspects of the increasing human tragedy…otherwise a great deal more dignity on display than in the HoC yesterday.
Having said that…does anyone honestly think that what a bunch of British politicians call for is going to make the slightest difference?

No it certainly doesn't.
The evidence on display here, is that this **** storm, is being used and hijacked by the far left and Radical islamists.
These may be called "peace" marches, but they have a nasty undertone to them, that is rising day by day
We have enogh of a mess of politicians in this country, without intrducing another factor, of religious sectarianism into it.

For all Swales rant of mud slinging, he never once mentioned, the talked about anti semitism in the Labour party.
This is now being fuelled by Muslim MP's demanding "their" agenda and topic, because it's the top hot potato in the Labour party for them.
Everyone knows, Israel will not give one jot what we say.
Starmer bottled it, and did his best to keep them onside, with appeasement

Yet all that happens here, is that anti semitism has risen 1350% in London alone.
MP's are being hounded/intimidated/threatened/ racist chanting/ slogans plastered everywhere.

This is the UK not the the middle east and the government and police need to get a grip on it fast.

Perhaps the honourable Swale would like to tell me, which religious group is top of MI5's terror lists and why we have vehicle blocks everywhere, as well as religious places under close observation?

We've seen councils scared to act. social services scared to act. the police scared to act, now politicians scared to act.
I don't think Tony Blairs dream of a multicultural wonderland is panning out as he envisaged,
Europe has woken up to it, some taking huge action.
No one wants another Sweden here

Live in the UK , follow the UK way of life and laws, it isn't hard