Give the manager more time

[upthemaggies]

Before we write of Stuart - worth considering this...

Brendan Rodgers joined Watford three months in to the 2008-2009 season after Aidy Boothroyd left the club by mutual consent, leaving them 21st in the Championship. Rodgers did not have the instant impact that was required, winning just two of his first ten games in charge of the Hornets, leaving them in the relegation zone by January. Form did improve in the new year though and Watford only lost five of their last six**** league matches of the season.

Rodgers joined a club that had lost 5 on the bounce and were in the relegation zone the week before he took over. Very different circumstances to ours. His results in his first 5 league games in charge were DDLWW so he would have made enough of an impression with credit in the bank to ride the poor 5 match run that followed before they had the 3rd best 18 game run-in in the division.
Maynard is not going to be the next Brendan Rodgers, Sam Allardyce or Alex Ferguson.

[Bohinen]

Rodgers joined a club that had lost 5 on the bounce and were in the relegation zone the week before he took over. Very different circumstances to ours. His results in his first 5 league games in charge were DDLWW so he would have made enough of an impression with credit in the bank to ride the poor 5 match run that followed before they had the 3rd best 18 game run-in in the division.
Maynard is not going to be the next Brendan Rodgers, Sam Allardyce or Alex Ferguson.

He will not but Pietastic deserves credit for using a new example and not the well worn cliche of Alex Ferguson's start at United. Posters would be well advised not to challenge UTM on stats, he will always find some from somewhere to see you off. Like MadMagpie using SM's last 6 games to prove he was no worse than LW, when actually it showed his projected results over the season would give you 30 points, bottom place and relegation.

Trying to be objective, I would have to say the jury is out on the club's ambition, but that could be down to FFP. The jury is also out on on Football Radar's ability to analyse defenders. We can accept consolidation if that is what people want but I would rather that was 8th/9th/10th than 20th/21st/22nd. Whatever, this weird period where Notts have had huge support may be coming to and end. It felt odd anyway to someone who went on one of two coaches (with Claude Bishop or Neal Hook) to away games in what is is now the Championship. And half of those fans had sandwiches and a flask, and a tartan blanket.

What we can (or maybe not in some cases) agree on was it was a nice moment to see Forest lose to an 89th minute goal last night, with a double celebration after 4 minutes of VAR confirming it. You Pies.

[matt_magpie]

Tbf it’s very hard to get decent players in the Jan transfer window. No players contracts are ending and if players are doing well clubs aren’t going to let them go or even their decent back ups as there’s no time usually to get someone in.

[Elite_Pie]

Trying to be objective, I would have to say the jury is out on the club's ambition, but that could be down to FFP. The jury is also out on on Football Radar's ability to analyse defenders.

I'm also trying to be objective and look at the bigger picture as to why things have suddenly gone tits up after enjoying a continuous upward curve for 18 months. I think that on and off the pitch we've lost three important parts of our success, maybe the three most important parts. Jason Turner, Luke Williams and Matty Palmer were the heartbeat of the club and would always be very difficult to replace. Hopefully we can arrest the downward spiral soon, it would be sad to end the season on a downer.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

I'm also trying to be objective and look at the bigger picture as to why things have suddenly gone tits up after enjoying a continuous upward curve for 18 months. I think that on and off the pitch we've lost three important parts of our success, maybe the three most important parts. Jason Turner, Luke Williams and Matty Palmer were the heartbeat of the club and would always be very difficult to replace. Hopefully we can arrest the downward spiral soon, it would be sad to end the season on a downer.

I think you have hit the nail on the head there. Three major key players no longer involved. So we have a new CEO, a new manager this season and a key player out injured. That is a lot of change.

It’s true we are showing relegation form at the moment and I’m hoping for everyone’s sake which includes players, fans, owners, and SM that we can start to pick up some results. At least finish on an upwards trajectory and give us something to be optimistic about going into the summer when the proper transfer business can be done. For me the January transfer window is a bit of a sticking plaster and not a magic bullet.

[MAD_MAGPIE]

He will not but Pietastic deserves credit for using a new example and not the well worn cliche of Alex Ferguson's start at United. Posters would be well advised not to challenge UTM on stats, he will always find some from somewhere to see you off. Like MadMagpie using SM's last 6 games to prove he was no worse than LW, when actually it showed his projected results over the season would give you 30 points, bottom place and relegation.

Trying to be objective, I would have to say the jury is out on the club's ambition, but that could be down to FFP. The jury is also out on on Football Radar's ability to analyse defenders. We can accept consolidation if that is what people want but I would rather that was 8th/9th/10th than 20th/21st/22nd. Whatever, this weird period where Notts have had huge support may be coming to and end. It felt odd anyway to someone who went on one of two coaches (with Claude Bishop or Neal Hook) to away games in what is is now the Championship. And half of those fans had sandwiches and a flask, and a tartan blanket.

What we can (or maybe not in some cases) agree on was it was a nice moment to see Forest lose to an 89th minute goal last night, with a double celebration after 4 minutes of VAR confirming it. You Pies.

A sample of seven games is not enough data to predict with any degree of accuracy the projected points for a team over an entire season. Especially when it's a selection of games where we only won one game so it's bound to show us as being relegation fodder. Plus most of the games in that sample were teams in the top seven.

The comparison I did between LW and SM was to show that the results of those games apart from Gillingham were almost identical to the point the goals for and against were nearly the same and that SM's results in those games were no worse than LW's. They are the facts because that is what has happened. They cannot be disproven.

Likewise I went to Mansfield and Wrexham and we were unfortunate to not get something from those games. We did enough in both but such is football. The performances in those games were not bad.

This is why I am still undecided about SM where others made their minds up as soon as he was appointed and why any sensible and rational owners would not be so quick to write SM off and pull the trigger at this stage.

Also I've looked at the Shrewsbury howlers that someone posted on another thread and the defensive errors were evident then under LW. I honestly believe we would have beaten them that night without those mistakes.

This is also why I don't think had Neil Warnock come in or another manager that all of a sudden they could have stopped the mistakes and errors that we have been punished for since day one at Sutton right through to day 34 against Sutton.