Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

Who’s suggested there isn’t a problem? There are obviously huge problems, both worldwide and domestically but George Galloway is almost an irrelevance.
He’s stepped in, in his inimitable way, to fill a vacuum and take personal advantage. It’s typical Galloway, the other Parties, including those more likely to have your support, couldn’t profit from Labour’s c@ck up, but he’ll still be gone at the General Election when he’s replaced by a more carefully selected Labour candidate.

Funny thing, as Andy has already intimated, there was very little of the ‘Muslim bashing’ stuff on this thread prior to your return. I think it took you about two posts before the ‘grooming gang’, ‘terrorist’, they’re taking over the world anti Muslim rants started…so there is a problem, yes…and folk like you are a huge part of it.

No RA, the pronblem is with folks like you, who have ignored the problem/excused it/ covered it up. It has grown and festered and been allowed to spread its tentacles throughout the system.
There was 100+ Labour MP's who wanted Labour to have a pro palestine stance before Sir Hoyle was hung out to dry,
Starmer didn't want to confront it either.

Little tip for you, Islamophobia wants everyone to not criticise Islam and be quiet. This is the result.
Give it long enough, blasphemy laws will be next.

You talk about me, but lets take Gallaway, whos tapped into a growing cult that goes against everything that's considered fair in Britain.
Starmer needs to sort his house out fast, as remnants of the Corbyn regime are growing in bravery.

GP was/is right British politics is a right mess.

The chaos of Sweden isn't that far away, sorry for talking about it.

[ramAnag]

No RA, the pronblem is with folks like you, who have ignored the problem/excused it/ covered it up. It has grown and festered and been allowed to spread its tentacles throughout the system.
There was 100+ Labour MP's who wanted Labour to have a pro palestine stance before Sir Hoyle was hung out to dry,
Starmer didn't want to confront it either.

Little tip for you, Islamophobia wants everyone to not criticise Islam and be quiet. This is the result.
Give it long enough, blasphemy laws will be next.

You talk about me, but lets take Gallaway, whos tapped into a growing cult that goes against everything that's considered fair in Britain.
Starmer needs to sort his house out fast, as remnants of the Corbyn regime are growing in bravery.

GP was/is right British politics is a right mess.

The chaos of Sweden isn't that far away, sorry for talking about it.

I’m not disputing that GP is right and that ‘British politics is a right mess’, but to say that I’ve ‘ignored, excused and covered up’ the problem is laughable…and the only thing Galloway has tapped into is the vacuum left by the absence of an official Labour candidate and the fact that over 60% of Rochdale’s electorate stayed at home.

[Trickytreesreds]

I’m not disputing that GP is right and that ‘British politics is a right mess’, but to say that I’ve ‘ignored, excused and covered up’ the problem is laughable…and the only thing Galloway has tapped into is the vacuum left by the absence of an official Labour candidate and the fact that over 60% of Rochdale’s electorate stayed at home.

Sorry RA that's not true.
Take the fiasco of the grooming gangs, which still goes on. Your answer to it everytime was, but but but there are White British peados as well.

Yes of course, but they are not operating in a tight catchment area, targetting vulnerable white girls only and belonging to a particular religion, from the same part of the world.
The native peado;s aren't being avoided by the social services/ councils/police either in case it causes a racial back lash.

That is the problem, stop being in denial and call out ANY PROBLEM ANYWHERE, no matter who it offends.
There is way too much cowardice in the authorities, to deal with issues caused by ethnic minorities in case it rocks the boat. If we are to be a multi cultural nation, then law/accontablity applies to all.

How bad is it, when a Muslin issue, thousands of miles away, is used a main selling point in a political campaign. Just to curry favour with Islam voters?
Obviously, Islam is more important to some, than the running of a country.

[ramAnag]

Sorry RA that's not true.
Take the fiasco of the grooming gangs, which still goes on. Your answer to it everytime was, but but but there are White British peados as well.

Yes of course, but they are not operating in a tight catchment area, targetting vulnerable white girls only and belonging to a particular religion, from the same part of the world.
The native peado;s aren't being avoided by the social services/ councils/police either in case it causes a racial back lash.

That is the problem, stop being in denial and call out ANY PROBLEM ANYWHERE, no matter who it offends.
There is way too much cowardice in the authorities, to deal with issues caused by ethnic minorities in case it rocks the boat. If we are to be a multi cultural nation, then law/accontablity applies to all.

How bad is it, when a Muslin issue, thousands of miles away, is used a main selling point in a political campaign. Just to curry favour with Islam voters?
Obviously, Islam is more important to some, than the running of a country.

I bring it up…yes, but it isn’t an answer. As I’ve said before…I have never been someone who has disputed the existence of ‘grooming gangs’, and I have come across that scenario, professionally in Derby, so I do, or did, know what I was talking about.

Are, or were, there a minority of social workers/local council officials reluctant to acknowledge the problems for the reasons you suggest? I believe so…yes.

This doesn’t excuse it but I also, professionally, came across an alarming number of white, locally bred, parents and relatives who were a) complicit in not caring less what there kids were getting up to and b) involved in much more solitary s@xual exploitation of young girls including, on occasions, their own children, nieces and grandchildren.

It’s a particularly unpleasant can of worms Tricky and the biggest difference is that where the grooming gangs take a collective form the more ‘home grown’ exploiters/abusers are more likely to act alone. Doesn’t make a lot of difference to the victim but you can’t demonise one group while ignoring the other.

[Trickytreesreds]

I bring it up…yes, but it isn’t an answer. As I’ve said before…I have never been someone who has disputed the existence of ‘grooming gangs’, and I have come across that scenario, professionally in Derby, so I do, or did, know what I was talking about.

Are, or were, there a minority of social workers/local council officials reluctant to acknowledge the problems for the reasons you suggest? I believe so…yes.

This doesn’t excuse it but I also, professionally, came across an alarming number of white, locally bred, parents and relatives who were a) complicit in not caring less what there kids were getting up to and b) involved in much more solitary s@xual exploitation of young girls including, on occasions, their own children, nieces and grandchildren.

It’s a particularly unpleasant can of worms Tricky and the biggest difference is that where the grooming gangs take a collective form the more ‘home grown’ exploiters/abusers are more likely to act alone. Doesn’t make a lot of difference to the victim but you can’t demonise one group while ignoring the other.

RA, I am not picking on one type of peado, ahead of anyone.
What I don't like,7
1. is the scale in a small area of racially tagetted white girls only, that should ring alarm bells
2. The girls were ignored despite cries for help
3. The authorites were "scared" to do anything incase cries of "racist" and riots broke out.

That is the crux of it. Ignore a problem or excuse it, only feeds it and it manifests into other things.
Now we have the attacks and attempts to tell schools/ politicians how society will run.

Name me one other "extreme" group at this moment of time, causing such chaos and divisiveness.

Folks are under the impression, that the whole country is one happy family of diversity. It isn't and my views get shouted down for pointing it out. I mentioned Leicester and no one bothered to acknowledge that one.

[ramAnag]

RA, I am not picking on one type of peado, ahead of anyone.
What I don't like,7
1. is the scale in a small area of racially tagetted white girls only, that should ring alarm bells
2. The girls were ignored despite cries for help
3. The authorites were "scared" to do anything incase cries of "racist" and riots broke out.

That is the crux of it. Ignore a problem or excuse it, only feeds it and it manifests into other things.
Now we have the attacks and attempts to tell schools/ politicians how society will run.

Name me one other "extreme" group at this moment of time, causing such chaos and divisiveness.

Folks are under the impression, that the whole country is one happy family of diversity. It isn't and my views get shouted down for pointing it out. I mentioned Leicester and no one bothered to acknowledge that one.

Firstly Tricky, let’s get the terminology right. The s*xual abusers we are speaking of are unlikely to be *****philes. *****philes are those with a s*xual interest in prepubescent children who have never been the target of grooming gangs.
The ‘grooming gangs’, in my experience, are interested in te*nagers. That is NOT me being an apologist for them in any shape or form but the vast majority of victims, again in my experience, are white te*agers from inadequate backgrounds.

Again I am not defending the grooming gangs in any way at all, but they are not alone in their attraction to te*nagers or fascination with ****age promiscuity. The image of the British schoolgirl is a common enough ***ual fantasy in many walks of life including very well to do English ‘gentlemen’ and where cultures are concerned it is possible to see how our own scantily clad ****agers can give out mixed messages compared with the more ‘well concealed’ Muslim counterparts. Again…in no way is that either an apology or a justification…just a clarification.

Name you one other ‘extreme’ group causing such chaos and divisiveness? Anyone on the extreme Right, especially Tommy Robinson and his henchmen, who will try and make political capital and cause social division at the slightest opportunity. You may not be as extreme but, as our resident advocate of right wing opinions, one only has to look at how your return has rapidly turned a General Election thread into something preoccupied with your own personal obsession…Islam.

As for Leicester. The rioting over, superficially at least, a cricket match was stupid, self defeating and unforgivable. It was also quite a long time ago and quite reminiscent of the predominantly white violence that took place at and after a Forest v Leicester football match in, if memory serves, the same year but, in your own words…you never ‘bothered to acknowledge that one’.

P.S. Sorry about the asterisks. There are so many I gave up trying to avoid them.

[Andy_Faber]

Firstly Tricky, let’s get the terminology right. The s*xual abusers we are speaking of are unlikely to be *****philes. *****philes are those with a s*xual interest in prepubescent children who have never been the target of grooming gangs.
The ‘grooming gangs’, in my experience, are interested in te*nagers. That is NOT me being an apologist for them in any shape or form but the vast majority of victims, again in my experience, are white te*agers from inadequate backgrounds.

Again I am not defending the grooming gangs in any way at all, but they are not alone in their attraction to te*nagers or fascination with ****age promiscuity. The image of the British schoolgirl is a common enough ***ual fantasy in many walks of life including very well to do English ‘gentlemen’ and where cultures are concerned it is possible to see how our own scantily clad ****agers can give out mixed messages compared with the more ‘well concealed’ Muslim counterparts. Again…in no way is that either an apology or a justification…just a clarification.

Name you one other ‘extreme’ group causing such chaos and divisiveness? Anyone on the extreme Right, especially Tommy Robinson and his henchmen, who will try and make political capital and cause social division at the slightest opportunity. You may not be as extreme but, as our resident advocate of right wing opinions, one only has to look at how your return has rapidly turned a General Election thread into something preoccupied with your own personal obsession…Islam.

As for Leicester. The rioting over, superficially at least, a cricket match was stupid, self defeating and unforgivable. It was also quite a long time ago and quite reminiscent of the predominantly white violence that took place at and after a Forest v Leicester football match in, if memory serves, the same year but, in your own words…you never ‘bothered to acknowledge that one’.

P.S. Sorry about the asterisks. There are so many I gave up trying to avoid them.

I'm amazed at that second paragraph rA, full of prejudice, lack of awareness and unfounded assertions. You've obviously not been in Nottingham on a saturday eve recently. And what is 'our own' supposed to mean? Bizarre.

[Trickytreesreds]

Firstly Tricky, let’s get the terminology right. The s*xual abusers we are speaking of are unlikely to be *****philes. *****philes are those with a s*xual interest in prepubescent children who have never been the target of grooming gangs.
The ‘grooming gangs’, in my experience, are interested in te*nagers. That is NOT me being an apologist for them in any shape or form but the vast majority of victims, again in my experience, are white te*agers from inadequate backgrounds.

Again I am not defending the grooming gangs in any way at all, but they are not alone in their attraction to te*nagers or fascination with ****age promiscuity. The image of the British schoolgirl is a common enough ***ual fantasy in many walks of life including very well to do English ‘gentlemen’ and where cultures are concerned it is possible to see how our own scantily clad ****agers can give out mixed messages compared with the more ‘well concealed’ Muslim counterparts. Again…in no way is that either an apology or a justification…just a clarification.

Name you one other ‘extreme’ group causing such chaos and divisiveness? Anyone on the extreme Right, especially Tommy Robinson and his henchmen, who will try and make political capital and cause social division at the slightest opportunity. You may not be as extreme but, as our resident advocate of right wing opinions, one only has to look at how your return has rapidly turned a General Election thread into something preoccupied with your own personal obsession…Islam.

As for Leicester. The rioting over, superficially at least, a cricket match was stupid, self defeating and unforgivable. It was also quite a long time ago and quite reminiscent of the predominantly white violence that took place at and after a Forest v Leicester football match in, if memory serves, the same year but, in your own words…you never ‘bothered to acknowledge that one’.

P.S. Sorry about the asterisks. There are so many I gave up trying to avoid them.

Terminology, mmmmmmmmmmm.
ok, depends on the person and which country you are in I suppose.
Me personally, anyone above a certain age, that interferes with a "child " under the age of consent is a peado.

In Western societies, a diagnosis of a pedophilic disorder requires that the person be 16 years old or older and at least 5 years older than the child who is the object of the ***ual fantasies or activity.
That's quoted definition from Wiki,

Secondly, I am astonished at your description of a British schoolgirl, as though it was an excuse for the abuse they received. Many of those kids, were vulnerable from broken homes or in care. In fact, your description was borderline disgusting. No Muslim/ or other ethnicitys targetted, just white girls
I can counter your example, with the reverse, of the men of mainly Pakistani rogin, whose country where it is illegal to have *** before marriage, though girls of 14 CAN BE MARRIED OFF. SO THEY COME HERE AND TREAT THE PLACE LIKE A SWEET SHOP.
Not forgetting, their religion, actually endorses child marriage, where the Prophet thought a girl of 6 would make a nice wife. Though to be fair, he did wait until she was 9 before ***. Then you expect Muslim men to have a conscience with the UK age of consent?

if your children or grand children, want to walk about in a mini skirt and tight top, they can. It is the UK and we have laws to protect them. Never say that to me again about mixed messages. Rape and abuse, with drink and drugs is disgusting.

You mention Tomy Robinson and his henchmen. Exactly who have threatened/killed/ targeted with actual racial abuse? All of which are crimes. They may not be my cup of tea, but they have the right to criticse Islam an its ways, the above being a prime example.
Call it divisive as much as you want, but silence of saying nothing, is divisive as well, As abuse and crimes carry on unabated.

LOL, you simplify the Leicester week long riots, as a cricket match fall out? You compare it, to a domestic football match grudge,are you insane?
Have you actually considered, that Muslims and Hindu's actually do HATE each other?
They have history of hate going back a long way and now that they are no longer in India and Pakistan, that hate has simply vanished?

I've news my friend. It hasn;t . I have seen it first hand in factories I have worked in/ visted. Where segregation is the only way round it.
When India was partitioned, anywhere up to 2 million Hindu's/Sikhs/Muslims were slaughtered and butchered.

Yet, come to Britian, we are all one big happy family, forget about it.