UTM Website

[upthemaggies]

It's a massive resource and how UTM has managed to collate all the information, and thus far for free, is mind boggling.
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Website itself is 23 years old, though I began collecting a lot of the data together in 1989 on a Commodore Amiga, so it's largely been a case of simply adding little bits and bobs at a time and updating it with the latest results over the course of 35 years. Basic for-next loop routines and conversion processes do most of the hard work. Patching it for things like lockdowns extending the season, points deductions or some club being expelled cause the headaches.... as well as moving the whole lot to a new address, which I'm probably going to have to do if it doesn't settle down at the current address.

[Old_pie]

Website itself is 23 years old, though I began collecting a lot of the data together in 1989 on a Commodore Amiga, so it's largely been a case of simply adding little bits and bobs at a time and updating it with the latest results over the course of 35 years. Basic for-next loop routines and conversion processes do most of the hard work. Patching it for things like lockdowns extending the season, points deductions or some club being expelled cause the headaches.... as well as moving the whole lot to a new address, which I'm probably going to have to do if it doesn't settle down at the current address.

Said with the same modesty as De Brunye when interviewed and being congratulated on his 100th goal for ManC "Well I've been here a long time"!

Does anyone at the club know it exists? Much would make a good history lesson.

[upthemaggies]

Said with the same modesty as De Brunye when interviewed and being congratulated on his 100th goal for ManC "Well I've been here a long time"!

Does anyone at the club know it exists? Much would make a good history lesson.

Charlie Slater told me he used it and mentioned it on-air about a week before the old server hosting it went down for good, which was wonderful timing.

I did write one of my more challenging bits of code last week to work out where all clubs finished in their first season after a promotion for any selected division and the same for relegation, which made for interesting reading. The championship now proving to be the most difficult division to stay up in at first go, despite this season's Premier League suggesting otherwise.

Here's the 4th tier list for first season back up over the last 10 years. Orient being the standout recent example of a team not doing too well on their return but going on to reach tier 3 later on. Lincoln, Bristol Rovers, Luton and Stockport all making an early impression however.
^ denotes club had gone up via the play offs.
text in brackets highlights notable finish in the first season following promotion.



1999/00
Cheltenham T. 8th

2000/01
Kidderminster 16th

2001/02
Rushden & D 6th (play offs)

2002/03
Boston Utd 15th

2003/04
Doncaster Rov ^ 1st (promoted again)
Yeovil Town 8th

2004/05
Chester C. 20th
Shrewsbury T. ^ 21st

2005/06
Carlisle Utd ^ 1st (promoted again)
Barnet 18th

2006/07
Hereford U. ^ 16th
Accrington S. 20th

2007/08
Morecambe ^ 11th
Dagenham & R. 20th

2008/09
Exeter City ^ 2nd (promoted again)
Aldershot 15th

2009/10
Burton Albion 13th
Torquay Utd ^ 17th

2010/11
Stevenage 6th (play off winners for successive promotion)
Oxford Utd ^ 12th

2011/12
Crawley Town 3rd (promoted again)
Wimbledon ^ 16th

2012/13
Fleetwood T. 13th
York City ^ 17th

2013/14
Mansfield T. 11th
Newport Co. ^ 14th

2014/15
Luton Town 8th
Cambridge Utd ^ 19th

2015/16
Bristol Rov ^ 3rd (promoted again)
Barnet 15th

2016/17
Grimsby Town ^ 14th
Cheltenham T. 21st

2017/18
Lincoln City 7th (play offs)
Forest Green ^ 21st

2018/19
Tranmere Rov ^ 6th (play off winners for successive promotion)
Macclesfield 22nd

2019/20
Salford City ^ 11th
Leyton Orient 17th

2020/21
Harrogate T. ^ 17th
Barrow 21st

2021/22
Sutton Utd 8th
Hartlepool U. ^ 17th

2022/23
Stockport Co 4th (play offs)
Grimsby Town ^ 11th

[HeroPie1862]

Website itself is 23 years old, though I began collecting a lot of the data together in 1989 on a Commodore Amiga, so it's largely been a case of simply adding little bits and bobs at a time and updating it with the latest results over the course of 35 years. Basic for-next loop routines and conversion processes do most of the hard work. Patching it for things like lockdowns extending the season, points deductions or some club being expelled cause the headaches.... as well as moving the whole lot to a new address, which I'm probably going to have to do if it doesn't settle down at the current address.

Sorry if this comes across a bit patronising, it's not the intention - I also haven't seen the site as it's down.

Maybe it's worth converting it to a type of wikipedia page - a lot of them can be created for free so it'd take away the hosting issue, it's just a bit of a different format from what you perhaps had been using, but then at the same time easier to look after?

[upthemaggies]

Sorry if this comes across a bit patronising, it's not the intention - I also haven't seen the site as it's down.

Maybe it's worth converting it to a type of wikipedia page - a lot of them can be created for free so it'd take away the hosting issue, it's just a bit of a different format from what you perhaps had been using, but then at the same time easier to look after?

The address mentioned earlier is for the server, not the site, the full address is.....
https://carouseldrivefootballs.on.dr...maggies00.html
which is up as I'm typing, though it is likely to go down again, in which case it will return a security warning if the latest safety certificate has expired (beyond my control).
It's much more relevant and detailed for Notts circa 1960-2002. Info for seasons 2002/03 onwards is well covered by other websites.

[Old_pie]

The address mentioned earlier is for the server, not the site, the full address is.....
https://carouseldrivefootballs.on.dr...maggies00.html
which is up as I'm typing, though it is likely to go down again, in which case it will return a security warning if the latest safety certificate has expired (beyond my control).

Oh that's misleading. I've just checked https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com and the site is shown as Down!! And I'm on it on another tab. That means the server is not responding as DownforEveryone is expecting. I had not previously checked a site that was up at the time.

So carouseldrivefootballs.on.drv.tw responds to a ping but not DownforEveryone. tracert is slow which I guess is expected especially as it appears that the server is in California and a 171 sites using it if the info I get is correct.

Are you using a free version? I've not done much with hosting but had some data on a UK free hosting site but it wasn't trouble free.

[upthemaggies]

Oh that's misleading. I've just checked https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com and the site is shown as Down!! And I'm on it on another tab. That means the server is not responding as DownforEveryone is expecting. I had not previously checked a site that was up at the time.

So carouseldrivefootballs.on.drv.tw responds to a ping but not DownforEveryone. tracert is slow which I guess is expected especially as it appears that the server is in California and a 171 sites using it if the info I get is correct.

Are you using a free version? I've not done much with hosting but had some data on a UK free hosting site but it wasn't trouble free.

dr.tw is not a typical host, it's basically an interface between Microsoft's cloud and the internet (you can use it via Google Drive also), so they don't actually host any of the files, they just link all of the files you have ticked to share to the web. It was working quite well until recently, I guess because a lot more people are using it now. I have got a proper web host account but another site has to take priority over the Notts one as it gets far more traffic.

[Bohinen]

Sorry if this comes across a bit patronising, it's not the intention - I also haven't seen the site as it's down.

Maybe it's worth converting it to a type of wikipedia page - a lot of them can be created for free so it'd take away the hosting issue, it's just a bit of a different format from what you perhaps had been using, but then at the same time easier to look after?

It's a bit beyond what Wikipedia has to offer. I have seen the site countless times and because I can't be arsed creating bookmarks, I find it by typing Bradd Scanlon Carter into Google. Nothing is more uniquely Notts than that. Good work by the meta tags, I suppose.