O/T Covid Vaccine mRNA

[frogmiller]

I very much doubt that the pleadings in the AZ litigation bang on about Nuremberg and other such rubbish.

For my part, I think the government should reform the vaccine injury compensation scheme to make such litigation as that against AZ unnecessary. The test that applies – 60% disability – is too high and the maximum pay out - £120k – is too low to properly address the issue.

As the article points out, it will be the government who will pay any compensation that the claimants are awarded as AZ has an indemnity agreement with the government that it obtained as a condition of making the vaccine available in the UK.

And before anyone gets upset about the indemnity arrangement that AZ has, they need to think about vaccine roll outs. Firstly, they are regarded as being in the interest of the general public and secondly, there is an inherent risk involved in them. That risk arises because clinical trials such as those that the AZ vaccine went through are by necessity limited in size (with tens of thousands of participants as opposed to the millions that the vaccine will be administered to), which means that a very rare complication such as the thrombocytopenia that is linked to the AZ vaccine may not be picked up until post release surveillance does so (as it was in April 2021 for the AZ jab).

There is also a fairly strong moral argument for AZ being indemnified given that their vaccine was made available on a not-for-profit basis during the pandemic. AZ are not even a company that is heavily involved in vaccine production. They were simply a partner of convenience for Oxford University after the other big UK pharmaceutical player -GSK – got into bed with the French company Sanofi to try to produce a vaccine.

It is tragic that anyone was injured by any of the covid vaccines, but to put matters into perspective, the AZ vaccine is estimated to have saved 6.5 million lives worldwide, in part because it was made available in countries who would not have been able to afford the mRNA vaccines and which did not have the infrastructure to store and distribute them. That will obviously be of no comfort whatsoever to the injured and their families, but that’s the long and short of it.

Of course, the bigger question is if the vaccines were not the answer to the pandemic then what was? I appreciate that some people deny the existence of the SARS-Cov2 virus or get wrapped up in theories about its origin, but I think most people know that it swept around the world killing very large numbers of people and causing long term injury to many more.

It's origin has not been officially stated nor has any meaningful investigations taken place. If something so dangerous started then why wasn't it tracked down to the source. The Wet market is one answer but the paper trails from Fauci to the Whuhan biolads is more credible. So much so that Donalt Trump has said so today in a speach regarding his dislike to the WHO treaty and Accords.

Covid caused so much upset, pain and loss so you'd think they'd track down the origin like they do any form od desease outbreak or poisoning outbreak.

If then the vaccine which seems to be owned by the US government and Moderna and Pfizer pay royalties for is injuring so many and killing some then why is it so important to give it to kids who are less likely to be injured by Covid itself and more likely to be injured by the Vaccine.

Getting wrapped up about the oridin as you say owill give so many answers but it seems inconvenient to get those answers.

Because of these points that you are not qualified to answer it leaves open the high possiblity of bad play.

[KerrAvon]

It's origin has not been officially stated nor has any meaningful investigations taken place. If something so dangerous started then why wasn't it tracked down to the source. The Wet market is one answer but the paper trails from Fauci to the Whuhan biolads is more credible. So much so that Donalt Trump has said so today in a speach regarding his dislike to the WHO treaty and Accords.

Covid caused so much upset, pain and loss so you'd think they'd track down the origin like they do any form od desease outbreak or poisoning outbreak.

If then the vaccine which seems to be owned by the US government and Moderna and Pfizer pay royalties for is injuring so many and killing some then why is it so important to give it to kids who are less likely to be injured by Covid itself and more likely to be injured by the Vaccine.

Getting wrapped up about the oridin as you say owill give so many answers but it seems inconvenient to get those answers.

Because of these points that you are not qualified to answer it leaves open the high possiblity of bad play.

The world is full of viruses. frog. Every type of animal will have viruses that are well placed to exploit them as hosts. Flu viruses originated in birds, for example, whereas bats are known to host many different types of coronaviruses. Crossing from one species to another is not easy and is generally dependent upon mutations to permit colonisation, but viruses mutate fairly easily, particularly in the case of RNA viruses like coronaviruses. HIV, for example, almost certainly originated in monkeys.

H5N1 bird flu looks like it has mutated to make the jump from birds to cattle. That brings it in close proximity to humans and it is probably only a matter of time before a mutation occurs that allows it to establish in human populations. That’s just how viruses roll.

It’s probably impossible to find out exactly how SARS-Cov2 got into the human population, but it can be said with a fair degree of confidence that it originated in bats, possibly via an intermediate species (pangolins were in the frame at one point, but I haven’t followed the research on that). Whether it entered the human population from a leak at the virology institute in Wuhan or whether it came via the wet market – where humans are in close proximity to animal is an unknown. The Chinese government id not known for its openness to scrutiny and I can’t see then cooperating with any investigation.

I doubt very much whether any paper trail to Fauci is particularly credible, but as I have mentioned before, I haven’t really followed the Fauci conspiracy theories. Given the reference to Trump, I’m guessing that they are popular with MAGA, right-wing, Christian fundamentalist types who do a lot of shouting on American TV?

Which vaccine do you think is owned by the American government?

On Trump generally, you may recall that he suggested that there should be research into whether injecting disinfectant into humans could be used to treat covid. This suggest that he may not be the sharpest knife in the draw when it comes to matters scientific.