So This Is What Leadership Looks Like Kier!

[WBA123]

At least Blair put his cards on the table.

The problem with his “education” mantra was that it became a must for a lot of parents that their kids went to university, more a badge of honour for pushy parents in a lot of cases.

This lead to a dumbing down of what people were pursuing at uni, I remember hearing that at one point there was 47 kids doing a photography degree for every one job that was available.

If we’d had kids doing maths, physics, chemistry etc, etc in big numbers the Blair mantra would’ve been a genius plan, sadly it lead to a lot of dead end degrees and disappointed students who ended up in jobs well below the level they thought they were at.

My opinion has never changed with university, it should be for those who are academically elite and the subjects available should be much more narrow and of real value.

Grammar Schools worked because you had to be clever, you couldn’t scrape in really and if you did, you got found out.

Too many universities chasing the £ these days.

Not sure I agree with that really. I was I think pretty average at school and certainly not elite, but when I went to University was where I really excelled. It also opened my mind to other people outside of my bubble, new horizons and different cultures. I was pretty narrow minded before I was 18, then at Uni I realised anything was possible if I grafted for it. That age from 18-21 I really grew from being a boy to a man.

Had I not gone to Uni, I wouldn't be where I am in life now. It was a really worthwhile experience for me, and not just from an academic perspective.

[WBA123]

Meanwhile that
Stupid t wat Davey who would be in their right mind to vote for him?

Over here, not in my right mind!

[baggieal]

Not sure I agree with that really. I was I think pretty average at school and certainly not elite, but when I went to University was where I really excelled. It also opened my mind to other people outside of my bubble, new horizons and different cultures. I was pretty narrow minded before I was 18, then at Uni I realised anything was possible if I grafted for it. That age from 18-21 I really grew from being a boy to a man.

Had I not gone to Uni, I wouldn't be where I am in life now. It was a really worthwhile experience for me, and not just from an academic perspective.

Good post 123 and couldn’t agree more. The one sentence is so true - if you graft at it
( education ) then the world opens up and academic results can never be taken away. Even the lightweight subjects you still have to be fairly intelligent to get acceptance of a uni place ie A level results albeit lower grades!

So many kids in later life look at a dream job ie pilot - medicine - teacher - vet or whatever and say if only I had worked hard and obtained the qualifications.

I didn’t go to uni or was a graduate but perhaps that’s a huge reason why I hoped my own kids succeeded and they have. I would never slate anything because I didn’t do it but encourage my kids to have opportunities I didn’t. Quite simply I didn’t work hard enough at the time for decent A levels!

[mickd1961]

Not sure I agree with that really. I was I think pretty average at school and certainly not elite, but when I went to University was where I really excelled. It also opened my mind to other people outside of my bubble, new horizons and different cultures. I was pretty narrow minded before I was 18, then at Uni I realised anything was possible if I grafted for it. That age from 18-21 I really grew from being a boy to a man.

Had I not gone to Uni, I wouldn't be where I am in life now. It was a really worthwhile experience for me, and not just from an academic perspective.

You’re a success story and fair play to you.

I’ve seen the other side of the experience with people leaving uni and ending up ill prepared for their future due to choosing idiotic subject matter.

My brothers daughter has done extremely well and got a good degree and now works in law, she knew what she wanted from a young age and pursued the subjects she needed.

Her brother is a labourer and had to fight his mother NOT to go to uni.

All her friends kids were going and she made him feel like a failure for not going.

He’s a bloody good labourer and will end up being a good, self employed builder.

I admire him for standing his ground and not being a badge of honour for his mum.

I applaud his sister too.

[baggieal]

You’re a success story and fair play to you.

I’ve seen the other side of the experience with people leaving uni and ending up ill prepared for their future due to choosing idiotic subject matter.

My brothers daughter has done extremely well and got a good degree and now works in law, she knew what she wanted from a young age and pursued the subjects she needed.

Her brother is a labourer and had to fight his mother NOT to go to uni.

All her friends kids were going and she made him feel like a failure for not going.

He’s a bloody good labourer and will end up being a good, self employed builder.

I admire him for standing his ground and not being a badge of honour for his mum.

I applaud his sister too.

This must be an exception as not heard of a parent insisting on a child go to uni. You only go to uni if your bright as even with the lesser weight subjects you still need A levels or equivalent. Another reason why in my eyes the older generation like myself had it so much easier than the kids of today - uni in those days was free and easy too for a step on the housing ladder where now a 50 grand salary won’t get you far!

Good thing about a degree is that some kids don’t grow up until their 30’s or p iss about but can always revisit their degree ie go into teaching on a one year course etc as many do.

Degrees are not everything or for everyone though as you mention trades. In this area most really good trades are on easily £300 plus a day. Even the Harrogate handywoman who is massively booked up is on a day rate of £360 and you could look this up for yourself!

[mickd1961]

This must be an exception as not heard of a parent insisting on a child go to uni. You only go to uni if your bright as even with the lesser weight subjects you still need A levels or equivalent. Another reason why in my eyes the older generation like myself had it so much easier than the kids of today - uni in those days was free and easy too for a step on the housing ladder where now a 50 grand salary won’t get you far!

Good thing about a degree is that some kids don’t grow up until their 30’s or p iss about but can always revisit their degree ie go into teaching on a one year course etc as many do.

Degrees are not everything or for everyone though as you mention trades. In this area most really good trades are on easily £300 plus a day. Even the Harrogate handywoman who is massively booked up is on a day rate of £360 and you could look this up for yourself!

My sister in law was so disgusted at the shame her son was bringing on her by not going to uni that she told him she wanted him to move out FFS!

You live in a sheltered world AL, this world where everything is wonderful and all kids who go to uni have a fantastic and successful life.

With respect……absolute b o l l o c k s.