Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

I can’t really offer a response to that beyond suggesting that your criticism is a bit of a scattergunning effort.

And please don’t presume about the gigs I attend. Lots of boozing for sure but the type of gigs I’ve been to over the years have been pretty clean of drugs, I’m only commenting on what I’ve seen not what gossip does the rounds. The gigs I go to these days are probably the safest place I go in public. Full of gammons…

How the **** would you know they were pretty clean of drugs? I mean when even cabinet Ministers are known to enjoy a line of coke I'd say the average person is completely unaware of the level of drug use amongst the "respectable" types

[Andy_Faber]

How the **** would you know they were pretty clean of drugs? I mean when even cabinet Ministers are known to enjoy a line of coke I'd say the average person is completely unaware of the level of drug use amongst the "respectable" types

Sorry you’re not making sense either, I was talking about concert-goers and musicians.

[ramAnag]

I can’t really offer a response to that beyond suggesting that your criticism is a bit of a scattergunning effort.

And please don’t presume about the gigs I attend. Lots of boozing for sure but the type of gigs I’ve been to over the years have been pretty clean of drugs, I’m only commenting on what I’ve seen not what gossip does the rounds. The gigs I go to these days are probably the safest place I go in public. Full of gammons…

‘A bit scattergun’. Tbh AF maybe one has to be with you at times, such is your tendency towards ducking and diving and general evasiveness.
Here we have a classic example. You concentrate on the more lighthearted part of my point - answering very naively imo but that’s irrelevant for now - and totally ignore the more relevant part…even ‘deselecting’ it from the quoted post.

So, I’ll ask again…and yes I know at the moment it’s largely hypothetical, but this is a question of principle rather than the practical fine tuning.

IF you were asked to pay an extra (and hypothetical) £200 per year in income tax in the knowledge that, again hypothetically, 20% would go to improving schools, 20% would go to the NHS, 20% would go to restoring our polluted rivers and coastlines, 20% to addressing the need for decent elderly care and 20% to our emergency services…would you think that reasonable?

[Andy_Faber]

‘A bit scattergun’. Tbh AF maybe one has to be with you at times, such is your tendency towards ducking and diving and general evasiveness.
Here we have a classic example. You concentrate on the more lighthearted part of my point - answering very naively imo but that’s irrelevant for now - and totally ignore the more relevant part…even ‘deselecting’ it from the quoted post.

So, I’ll ask again…and yes I know at the moment it’s largely hypothetical, but this is a question of principle rather than the practical fine tuning.

IF you were asked to pay an extra (and hypothetical) £200 per year in income tax in the knowledge that, again hypothetically, 20% would go to improving schools, 20% would go to the NHS, 20% would go to restoring our polluted rivers and coastlines, 20% to addressing the need for decent elderly care and 20% to our emergency services…would you think that reasonable?

Simple answer, no, because they aren’t my priority mix of services. No use having hood schools if the kids are all being taught Russian for example. If you rephrased it as ‘all social services with my priorities in the mix, and at least 90 efficient use’ then yes, no-one likes paying taxes but I realise the need for them.

[Andy_Faber]

Simple answer, no, because they aren’t my priority mix of services. No use having hood schools if the kids are all being taught Russian for example. If you rephrased it as ‘all social services with my priorities in the mix, and at least 90 efficient use’ then yes, no-one likes paying taxes but I realise the need for them.

Good not hood obviously

[ramAnag]

Simple answer, no, because they aren’t my priority mix of services. No use having hood schools if the kids are all being taught Russian for example. If you rephrased it as ‘all social services with my priorities in the mix, and at least 90 efficient use’ then yes, no-one likes paying taxes but I realise the need for them.

Okay…I ‘get’ that we may have different priorities - although I’ve no idea where ‘Russian’ comes into it, or why. But…not least after the last 14 years of incompetence and circumstances beyond etc…I’d think it reasonable to suggest that, in no particular order, education, NHS, water and sewage, roads, care for the elderly, and our emergency services are at the forefront of more or less universal approval.

Still at least you aren’t ruling out the necessity for tax rises, which is a breakthrough, and I’ve always used the term ‘properly targeted’ for which you’ve substituted ‘90% efficient use’, so we have the basis for agreement. The problem then is how to do it…because for the last 14 years taxes have gone up and our ‘services’ have simultaneously been in decline which is largely why the Tories are facing likely extinction.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I'd be happy to pay 200 a year in extra tax if there was a certainty that it would be spent wisely and efficiently on your 5 elements rA. Especially, to square the circle - if those schools taught FBV!

But you know as well as I do that it's not that simple.

[ramAnag]

I'd be happy to pay 200 a year in extra tax if there was a certainty that it would be spent wisely and efficiently on your 5 elements rA. Especially, to square the circle - if those schools taught FBV!

But you know as well as I do that it's not that simple.

Of course it’s not that simple, I’m not saying it is…but if we want decent services then we have to be grown up enough to acknowledge that tax isn’t a dirty word and neither is ‘fairness’.

P.S. £200 was random…with all your wealth I’d expect you might have to pay more!

[MadAmster]

Someone posted this YT video on FB. It shows all of Farridge's "warts". Not fit for the dustbin, never mind office.

[Trickytreesreds]

Apart from the fact the economic benefits of migration are well researched and proven, the fact tha migrants make a net contribution to the economy is also proven, the *******s about it contributing to the economic decline over the past few years is repeated by people who haven't a clue. Brexit on the other hand has ****ed the economy and Farage has never been right about anything, his so called freeze on immigration is nothing of the sort, he has admitted that the Uk would still need immigration for a wide range of jobs, so not zero then is it? Its a ****ing fantasy peddled so simpletons like you will swallow it.

The simple reason that services are poor and can't cope is the austerity that was inflicted by the coalition and Tory government, you can't sack 20,000 experienced Police officers and wonder why crime increases, you can't cut spending by 40% and wonder why services are declining. You can't not replace the council/social housing thats been sold off - and have a miilon empty , second or holiday homes and wonder why there is a housing crisis.

I could go on, but any sentient person would look at whats happened and think, the rich have got richer and there are more of them,, the gap between those on average incomes and the rich has increased who the **** has got all the money then?

But as Hitler demonstrated in the 1930's, pick a group to blame and the thick simpletons will follow suit ignoring the obvious truth.

wrong wrong wrong, as the latest information leaked said. In fact you conviniently ignored it, when it was discussed on here. I'm an engineer not an accountant. Please tell me, how GDP despite massive influxes has stagnated, and GDP per capita fallen through the floor. Despite your obnoxious attempts at put downs through personal insults, you continue to make yourself look a bell end.

Even your examples like council housing etc. I never agreed with Thatcher doing that, but did she forsee millions flooding intot he country, crippling the housing market.
Since Cameron took power, the population increased by 9 million. I don't think your bloody council houses would cover that.