O/T:- Trump

[SmiffyPie]

If it was an average country with an average potential presidential candidate then his potential election wouldn't matter a jot; but it's the "leader" of the democratic world and he is a corrupt dictator in all but name. If he gets in (and I can only hope that there are enough sensible people to stop him) then the people of Ukraine won't be best served that's for sure.

[upthemaggies]

…Malcolm X, Jeffrey Epstein, Anwar Al-Aulaqi, Samir Khan, Al-Aulaqi and Boeing Whistleblowers, to name but a few.

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and John Lennon, after Nixon's failed attempt to deport him.
The cover up with that one was staggering. No investigation, no trial (after the suspect had literally been worked by MK Ultra's chief hypnotist to plead guilty), all evidence goes missing, Key witness statement withheld, other witnesses contradicting one another. Most people still believe Lennon was shot in the back from 20 feet away and fell down dead in the driveway.

[andy6025]

and John Lennon, after Nixon's failed attempt to deport him.
The cover up with that one was staggering. No investigation, no trial (after the suspect had literally been worked by MK Ultra's chief hypnotist to plead guilty), all evidence goes missing, Key witness statement withheld, other witnesses contradicting one another. Most people still believe Lennon was shot in the back from 20 feet away and fell down dead in the driveway.

I had heard a theory that Chapman was a Manchurian style assassin, but I haven’t heard the details. I’ll look it up.

[upthemaggies]

I had heard a theory that Chapman was a Manchurian style assassin, but I haven’t heard the details. I’ll look it up.

There's an awful lot of rubbish out there to wade through, including daft theories that Yoko was behind it and that the doorman was CIA and a veteran of the bay of pigs (which he wasn't despite sharing a name with somebody who was).

Basically, Lennon had been hated by the Christian right since the "bigger than Jesus" debacle in 1966 and then became a thorn in the side of the Nixon admin in 1972 when Lennon fell in with the far left and intended to play at a series of anti-Nixon rallies. There are still classified documents on Lennon held to this day from the time they were spying on him.

Mark David Chapman was being groomed for something like this since the early 1970s when he fell into the orbit of pastor Charles McGowan who had links to intelligence and knew Nixon, so it was those two elements coming together who had a serious grudge, with the potential for Lennon to become problematic for the incoming Reagan admin and operations in Central America.

The lawyer who was initially representing Chapman lasted only a few days due to death threats and was replaced by somebody who worked in the same building as the CIA's law firm and he granted full access MK Ultra, one of whom was on US TV a year before the murder boasting he could convince somebody to carry out an assignation in the space of 6 months. Chapman had no idea why he'd done it when interviewed on the night, he said he had nothing against Lennon or The Beatles but just felt a compulsion to do it. Two fans who'd had lunch with Chapman earlier that day said he knew next to nothing about The Beatles and it was they who suggested he buy Lennon's album and get it signed (which he did and was photographed doing). The notion that he'd done it for Lennon's fame came later when the "Catcher in the Rye" link became problematic for intelligence when that book was also linked with the Reagan assassination attempt. In 1981 it changed from the book to demons making him doing it, the fame angle came in later years and has since stuck ,but if he'd done it for the fame he would have opted to go for the trial to get himself on TV.

Chapman's wife knew full well of the plot, has admitted as much and is still closely involved with McGowan to this day. In a press conference two days after the murder she said on camera "I'm sorry that John Lennon HAD TO DIE." which is very telling I think. It's incredible she's never faced any heat for being an accomplice. She drove her husband to the airport having arranged his flight knowing full well he'd been to NYC the previous month with the intention of killing Lennon and she rang the police station to speak to MDC before his name had been made public.

[OldBanksy]

if it had hit him I would not have been unhappy to be honest. That's the way I feel as bullets aside the man is a deplorable individual who has been happy to ruin lots of peoples lives. Someone had a go at ruining his and failed. Not right but I have no sympathy for the guy at all. I'd also argue as to whether the USA is really a democratic election. But then that's another entire debate!

You would not have been unhappy to see Trump dead! That shows what sort of person you are. Incredible!
Trump has been vilified for casting doubt on the US democratic process and here you are questioning whether "the USA is really a democratic election". You couldn't make it up.

[PedroTheFisherman66]

There's an awful lot of rubbish out there to wade through, including daft theories that Yoko was behind it and that the doorman was CIA and a veteran of the bay of pigs (which he wasn't despite sharing a name with somebody who was).

Basically, Lennon had been hated by the Christian right since the "bigger than Jesus" debacle in 1966 and then became a thorn in the side of the Nixon admin in 1972 when Lennon fell in with the far left and intended to play at a series of anti-Nixon rallies. There are still classified documents on Lennon held to this day from the time they were spying on him.

Mark David Chapman was being groomed for something like this since the early 1970s when he fell into the orbit of pastor Charles McGowan who had links to intelligence and knew Nixon, so it was those two elements coming together who had a serious grudge, with the potential for Lennon to become problematic for the incoming Reagan admin and operations in Central America.

The lawyer who was initially representing Chapman lasted only a few days due to death threats and was replaced by somebody who worked in the same building as the CIA's law firm and he granted full access MK Ultra, one of whom was on US TV a year before the murder boasting he could convince somebody to carry out an assignation in the space of 6 months. Chapman had no idea why he'd done it when interviewed on the night, he said he had nothing against Lennon or The Beatles but just felt a compulsion to do it. Two fans who'd had lunch with Chapman earlier that day said he knew next to nothing about The Beatles and it was they who suggested he buy Lennon's album and get it signed (which he did and was photographed doing). The notion that he'd done it for Lennon's fame came later when the "Catcher in the Rye" link became problematic for intelligence when that book was also linked with the Reagan assassination attempt. In 1981 it changed from the book to demons making him doing it, the fame angle came in later years and has since stuck ,but if he'd done it for the fame he would have opted to go for the trial to get himself on TV.

Chapman's wife knew full well of the plot, has admitted as much and is still closely involved with McGowan to this day. In a press conference two days after the murder she said on camera "I'm sorry that John Lennon HAD TO DIE." which is very telling I think. It's incredible she's never faced any heat for being an accomplice. She drove her husband to the airport having arranged his flight knowing full well he'd been to NYC the previous month with the intention of killing Lennon and she rang the police station to speak to MDC before his name had been made public.

Anyone seen the film parallax view...! It Seems quite pertinent now.Awesome film..

[upthemaggies]

Anyone seen the film parallax view...! It Seems quite pertinent now.Awesome film..

I've not seen it but know of the plot. You have to keep an open mind on these things.

Before my time, but I believe the first person to question the JF Kennedy sole lone nut job shooter narrative on British TV was James Bond actor George Lazenby on "The Simon Dee Show" in February 1970 after Dee had transferred from BBC Saturday tea-times to a late Sunday night ITV slot. That 1970 interview is said to be at least partly responsible for ending Simon Dee's career ("cancelled" in today's parlance) such was the outrage felt by Dee's TV bosses for allowing Lazenby to continue with his theory. Ironically, Dee's other guest that night was none other than John Lennon! The tape has long since been wiped, sadly, though Lennon's separate section was recorded on a domestic VCR.

[queenslandpie]

You would not have been unhappy to see Trump dead! That shows what sort of person you are. Incredible!
Trump has been vilified for casting doubt on the US democratic process and here you are questioning whether "the USA is really a democratic election". You couldn't make it up.

This is a man who is quite happy to be pro gun which results in the needless deaths of many many Americans each year. As we all know. He can't complain about getting shot when he's the one vindicating everyone owning a gun and promoting gun culture. And I for one can't have any sympathy for him on that basis and the way he has treated so many peoples lives with utter contempt. Trump himself says a lot of stuff. Clean the swamp blah blah blah Yet he is quite happy to muscle himself in as the presidential candidate in the current fixed 2 party system isn't he.

[SmiffyPie]

All Trump wants to do is clear the swamp and replace it with his swamp!

[i961pie]

This is a man who is quite happy to be pro gun which results in the needless deaths of many many Americans each year. As we all know. He can't complain about getting shot when he's the one vindicating everyone owning a gun and promoting gun culture. And I for one can't have any sympathy for him on that basis and the way he has treated so many peoples lives with utter contempt. Trump himself says a lot of stuff. Clean the swamp blah blah blah Yet he is quite happy to muscle himself in as the presidential candidate in the current fixed 2 party system isn't he.

You would not have been unhappy to see Trump dead! That shows what sort of person you are. Incredible!
Trump has been vilified for casting doubt on the US democratic process and here you are questioning whether "the USA is really a democratic election". You couldn't make it up.

I think many people (me not included) would be happy to see Trump dead the same as seeing the likes of Putin dead also,. Surely you aren't surprised by that in this world we live in.
People would rejoice like they did in places like Iran when the twin towers fell.