O/T:- Trump

[Chicken Balti Pie]

True but there isn't anyone who fits that description. Biden was the nominee last time not because he was wanted but because at the time no one really had anything against him. Kamala Harris has been described as a cackling hyena, Gavin Newsome has bankrupted California and the policies he has supported has made him a bit of a joke (look into the poop map), Gretchen Whitmer has ruled herself out and Michelle Obama only has name recognition.

There is Mark Kelly who is a senator from Arizona. Former astronaut, sits in a swing state as well. Although not massively young at 60, still younger than either of the current two. Also his wife was the survivor of an assassination attempt herself so would potentially be an antidote to Trump using it as political capital. Would certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons and apparently polls well

[MarcusCole]

There is Mark Kelly who is a senator from Arizona. Former astronaut, sits in a swing state as well. Although not massively young at 60, still younger than either of the current two. Also his wife was the survivor of an assassination attempt herself so would potentially be an antidote to Trump using it as political capital. Would certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons and apparently polls well

Never heard of the guy, quick look and he seems sane to a point, has something I disagree with but nothing that would be a deal breaker

[Elite_Pie]

Those like yourself that will only ever consume news that confirms your own biases are the Midwits I mentioned.

You don’t have a clue what news I consume and what I think.

[tommopie8]

Yet the alternative is a senile old man who literally wouldn't be able to hold down an entry-level job in a supermarket, who's handlers (whoever they are) have him engaged in forever proxy wars, and under whose watch borders are open and cities have become crime-ridden hell holes.

The fact you've just slagged the opponent as opposed to anything positive to do with Trump says it all.

The man's a thicko magnet.

[slack_pie]

The fact you've just slagged the opponent as opposed to anything positive to do with Trump says it all.

The man's a thicko magnet.

There's plenty of Trump slagging on here as it is. Besides, anyone with half a brain cell can see he's a narcissistic, untrustworthy, and unpredictable liability. In a sane world, we'd be able to elect the very best of us to lead our countries.

But yeah, life's much easier when you decide that everyone who may disagree with your views is stupid.

The amount of times people assume you are this or that because you criticised this or that is ridiculous. You don't always have to take a side, especially when both sides are awful.

[MarcusCole]

You don’t have a clue what news I consume and what I think.

I think we all have a very big clue as to what news you consume and we know what your views are

[Jampie]

The media for years has been lying about Biden's cognitive decline, the recent debate just put front and centre so they can't lie about it any more. Biden's potential crimes have been ignored while trumps actions have been framed as crimes and opportunist political activists within the legal system have pushed bogus allegations to trial for their own political gains. The whole US legal system is corrupt as they are all politicians looking to make a name for themselves that they can then use to stand for office.

The fact that you think Biden's "potential crimes" are an issue but that Trump's actual crimes aren't real tells me you aren't nearly as centrist as you think you are. You clearly haven't looked at the evidence. What on earth are "potential crimes"? Crimes he hasn't committed yet? Or is that shorthand for crimes there are no evidence of?

There is no evidence Biden has committed a crime. If you think there is, by all means link it.

There's plenty of evidence of Trump crimes been submitted to various courts and published far and wide. He's been found guilty of 34 counts of criminal fraud by one jury, and has employed delaying tactics in his other cases. Not a defence of any kind, delay tactics. If you haven't seen any of that, again I question your claim of centrism. You're clearly getting your views from one arm of the biased media, or one thought bubble instead of the other and thinking that makes you centrist.

[queenslandpie]

A long time since I've seen anything so partisan and naive.

I do believe this is code for "I got comprehensively out manouvered in a debate by the opposition on Notts mad and I full well know there is no coming back from it"

[Elite_Pie]

I think we all have a very big clue as to what news you consume and we know what your views are

As long as my views are opposite to yours I’ll be quite content.

[BigFatPie]

The fact that you think Biden's "potential crimes" are an issue but that Trump's actual crimes aren't real tells me you aren't nearly as centrist as you think you are. You clearly haven't looked at the evidence. What on earth are "potential crimes"? Crimes he hasn't committed yet? Or is that shorthand for crimes there are no evidence of?

There is no evidence Biden has committed a crime. If you think there is, by all means link it.

There's plenty of evidence of Trump crimes been submitted to various courts and published far and wide. He's been found guilty of 34 counts of criminal fraud by one jury, and has employed delaying tactics in his other cases. Not a defence of any kind, delay tactics. If you haven't seen any of that, again I question your claim of centrism. You're clearly getting your views from one arm of the biased media, or one thought bubble instead of the other and thinking that makes you centrist.

Marcus is a centrist in the same way that I’m a Forest fan.

The interesting question with these Trump lads (and Reform for that matter) is always asking what it is about him they agree with.