O/T attack in Southport.

[Back of the net]

Once this gets to the judicial process I doubt the perpetrator will see the light of day again, and rightly so. If there is a mental health issue around this, there will (hopefully) be some very severe repercussions for those who were better placed to mitigate this kind of incident.

I'm just passing on what is floating around on other forums regarding the name and back story. Some Barnsley fans suggest the story originates from a practically follower-less X account, and the name only seems to appear on obscure sites.

I have no idea if the name being banded around is true and I agree that it can be dangerous to take everything as the truth until known.
If the speculation is true then again when are we as a country going to accept that not everyone coming here is for a better life. If children getting murdered is not a wake up call then WHAT IS ?
It’s a conversation that some are scared of having if this doesn’t change that then all hope is gone.
How many more attacks need to happen ?
Politicians sending their prayers must really comfort the victims families.

[Stovicmiller]

I cannot comprehend how the parents are feeling, my thoughts are with the families.

[UlleyMiller]

I have no idea if the name being banded around is true and I agree that it can be dangerous to take everything as the truth until known.
If the speculation is true then again when are we as a country going to accept that not everyone coming here is for a better life. If children getting murdered is not a wake up call then WHAT IS ?
It’s a conversation that some are scared of having if this doesn’t change that then all hope is gone.
How many more attacks need to happen ?
Politicians sending their prayers must really comfort the victims families.

I'm still no clearer what (if any) truth is in the name and story, and the only thing I'm convinced about is that speculation is not helpful.

I appreciate your other point, but if I were a nurse or teacher who had come here for a new life, I can't imagine I'd feel good about what may come if the focus shifts in that direction. I don't know any facts about the case, I don't know the trigger or motive, and because of that I have no way of knowing if there is any connection or relevance to the murderer's roots/movement.

I've not seen much resistance to the idea of better management of migration, and as a separate point that does need addressing, but I think with how emotive this incident is, it's really important not to apply any reasoning from this sequence of events to migration policy unless it's unequivocally relevant and indicates future risks.

But right now, I'm just absolutely heartbroken for those involved. Too many families will be impacted for the rest of their lives by this.

[howdydoo]

Once this gets to the judicial process I doubt the perpetrator will see the light of day again, and rightly so. If there is a mental health issue around this, there will (hopefully) be some very severe repercussions for those who were better placed to mitigate this kind of incident.

I'm just passing on what is floating around on other forums regarding the name and back story. Some Barnsley fans suggest the story originates from a practically follower-less X account, and the name only seems to appear on obscure sites.

Yeah, create the problems through policy and then go and point the finger at people, drowning with the workload. Let’s destroy careers of social workers, police etc with wonderful hindsight.

Severe repercussions for them when yet another nut job slips through the net. Are you for real?

Even the best intentioned and professional people make mistakes.

[UlleyMiller]

Yeah, create the problems through policy and then go and point the finger at people, drowning with the workload. Let’s destroy careers of social workers, police etc with wonderful hindsight.

Severe repercussions for them when yet another nut job slips through the net. Are you for real?

Even the best intentioned and professional people make mistakes.

You didn't read it again, did you. 0 to red face in three words.

[KerrAvon]

I'm rather sceptical about the name that is being bandied about.

Those who are propagating the name on the likes of Twitter and Facebook (two sources that are not known for their reliability) believe that within hours of the attacks and arrest both the security services and health services have been leaking.

That seems 'unlikely'.

The person arrested (and not yet charged) is 17, which means that his details cannot be reported without a court order. It's well known that some people within the police will provide information for money, but the implications of reporting restrictions means that no newspaper or freelancer is likely to be offering up cash, so why would anyone risk dismissal and possibly prison to leak?

I may be wrong, but this smells of fake red meat tossed out for the likes of Tommy Robinson supporters to lap up. And if it means clambering over the grief and tragedy of the stabbings who amongst them would care.

[great_fire]

Telegraph have reported that he is Rwandan, originally from Cardiff. Someone on Sky said born in Cardiff. So either an asylum seeker or child of asylum seekers.

[UlleyMiller]

I'm rather sceptical about the name that is being bandied about.

Those who are propagating the name on the likes of Twitter and Facebook (two sources that are not known for their reliability) believe that within hours of the attacks and arrest both the security services and health services have been leaking.

That seems 'unlikely'.

The person arrested (and not yet charged) is 17, which means that his details cannot be reported without a court order. It's well known that some people within the police will provide information for money, but the implications of reporting restrictions means that no newspaper or freelancer is likely to be offering up cash, so why would anyone risk dismissal and possibly prison to leak?

I may be wrong, but this smells of fake red meat tossed out for the likes of Tommy Robinson supporters to lap up. And if it means clambering over the grief and tragedy of the stabbings who amongst them would care.

The name thrown around translates (via Google) to "I have to go to my apartment". Plausible coincidence that this is also the person's name, but as the Telegraph have now stated that the Cardiff-born boy has parents who came from Rwanda (of all the places that need another mention) that would mean they come from a state which is over 90% Christian and less likely to have a name like that.

Little Tommeh Robinson (Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) and his ilk will have a field day on the back of the suffering either way.

[Stovicmiller]

I'm rather sceptical about the name that is being bandied about.

Those who are propagating the name on the likes of Twitter and Facebook (two sources that are not known for their reliability) believe that within hours of the attacks and arrest both the security services and health services have been leaking.

That seems 'unlikely'.

The person arrested (and not yet charged) is 17, which means that his details cannot be reported without a court order. It's well known that some people within the police will provide information for money, but the implications of reporting restrictions means that no newspaper or freelancer is likely to be offering up cash, so why would anyone risk dismissal and possibly prison to leak?

I may be wrong, but this smells of fake red meat tossed out for the likes of Tommy Robinson supporters to lap up. And if it means clambering over the grief and tragedy of the stabbings who amongst them would care.

are you suggesting that the thousands who attended that march in London at the weekend don’t give a **** about what happened yesterday.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

are you suggesting that the thousands who attended that march in London at the weekend don’t give a **** about what happened yesterday.

Interesting that the authorities were quick to announce that the attack wasn't terrorist related but the counter terrorism police are taking a major role in the investigations